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Time to run away!

How do you know re channey team?

The 2017 "Terps & Terps Black" from a few years ago was a total disaster!

Player: I don't care who own the Express. I hate it here. It make me sick. My allergy, puke every time, bleugh! Like that, puke.

Channy: You're a lacrosse player. You're supposed to be like that.

Player: Somebody own the Express. We go to recruiting tourney and I get the Scholarship.

What the [lacrosse] is the matter with you? You are sick.. get help!

I am surprised that they are going this route again. It did not work well for them and it did not work well recently for other clubs

apparently Deleted made the Express

Well it sounds a lot like Outlaws 2018 Blacks recipe for disaster from last year.

Does the Express C team "Moran" get any exposure to college coaches ?

I agree the prospect days are the way to go. Coaches get to know you and see you more extensively.

Moran is also coaching the 2017 B Team.

In one word.....NO

How did the Express 2017 C team do this summer ?

wrong Moran. there are 2

Top players in this class announced Monday. Top 10-15 are pretty obvious at this point. Next 50-60 are hard to rank right now. Will be a lot of movement over next 2-3 years as some progress or reach a peak.

I am curious to see if the players will be selected based on individual performance of just by team association. The top players are and always will stand out in team and individual situations. I do understand team play is important but on some of these good teams its like plug and play and an average player can succeed. Once these players do play in individual showcases they can be exposed.

Totally agree. I think the top 10 at least are going to all be excellent individual players who would standout regardless of what team they were on. Not products of being in a great "system" necessarily. My prediction is top 10 should have 2-3 A, 4-5 M, and 2 D plus 1 FO. These are all kids I've seen multiple times and clearly stand out to date. Could always change later.

How are you defining a good player?

I have seen many very good athletes who can beat their man one on one but have no idea how to play the game.

I have also seen very good athletes on the defensive side of the ball look great in one on one situations but are lost off ball.

College coaches love stud athletes but if the athlete can not grasp certain team concepts he will never see the field at a high level program.

Mental mistakes more than anything else will keep a player off the field.

Smart players are in the right place at the right time all the time. Smart players make good decisions and rarely make mental mistakes. The higher the level of competition the more cerebral the player must be. Intellect is critical to a players success on both sides of the ball. Understanding team concepts and schemes are a huge part of being successful at the highest level of competition.

College coaches recruit from the top clubs because they get to see kids play against the best competition possible. They want to see the kids play against the best in a team setting. The top club teams play in the best tournaments against one another and the top college coaches are all over the sideline.

You can't plug and play a low IQ player into a good team regardless of the players individual skill. Wrong place wrong time, poor shot selection, shoot when you should pass, dodge when you should pass, get in your teammates way, poor spacing, not clearing space, holding the ball too long, ball watching, not understand when or where to slide, not understanding team concepts, not understanding off ball play etc... the list goes on and on.

In big games against top competition a player needs to understand the teams system and be able to play smart and fast. The player needs to know where to be and when to be there and the player must make good decisions.

A great athlete against weak competition can simply use his athleticism to stand out.

Best case is: Great athlete, great skill and high lacrosse IQ.

A great showcase player does not always translate to a good player on a good team. However, a kid who can contribute on a top team will more than likely be able to play at the next level even if they do not stand out at a showcase.

Anyone have numbers on some of the tryouts. True Blue, Bluefish, Recon etc ?

How are you defining a good player?

I have seen many very good athletes who can beat their man one on one but have no idea how to play the game.

I have also seen very good athletes on the defensive side of the ball look great in one on one situations but are lost off ball.

College coaches love stud athletes but if the athlete can not grasp certain team concepts he will never see the field at a high level program.

Mental mistakes more than anything else will keep a player off the field.

Smart players are in the right place at the right time all the time. Smart players make good decisions and rarely make mental mistakes. The higher the level of competition the more cerebral the player must be. Intellect is critical to a players success on both sides of the ball. Understanding team concepts and schemes are a huge part of being successful at the highest level of competition.

College coaches recruit from the top clubs because they get to see kids play against the best competition possible. They want to see the kids play against the best in a team setting. The top club teams play in the best tournaments against one another and the top college coaches are all over the sideline.

You can't plug and play a low IQ player into a good team regardless of the players individual skill. Wrong place wrong time, poor shot selection, shoot when you should pass, dodge when you should pass, get in your teammates way, poor spacing, not clearing space, holding the ball too long, ball watching, not understand when or where to slide, not understanding team concepts, not understanding off ball play etc... the list goes on and on.

In big games against top competition a player needs to understand the teams system and be able to play smart and fast. The player needs to know where to be and when to be there and the player must make good decisions.

A great athlete against weak competition can simply use his athleticism to stand out.

Best case is: Great athlete, great skill and high lacrosse IQ.

A great showcase player does not always translate to a good player on a good team. However, a kid who can contribute on a top team will more than likely be able to play at the next level even if they do not stand out at a showcase. [/quote
Completely agree with this

Who is ranking the players? That Ty Z person or someone else?

Jared Fogel

your a clown, now go back to whatever you waste your day doing...

What was the talent like at outlaws tryouts?

Very good at every position.

Everyone was great. All AA caliber honor students. The parents are all nice, welcoming and realistic about their kids abilities. Everything was perfect!

So it was just like every other tryout....

Rankings for 2018 class out tonight. No surprises.

Only one kid from LI in the top 10, at #10. Not like the other years! 2017 and 2016 come out in the next two days. Expect to see better LI representation.

where can the rankings be found?

Mine is on the list, but means nothing people. this kid ranking them is a jackwagon...

LI kids aren't going to show as well in rising frosh/soph lists. First, they are younger then almost everyone else on the list. 2 years younger in many cases. Second, the guy writing the lists isn't a player or a coach, just a wannabe. So the technical and mental abilities LI kids are known for aren't going to register with him as much as a double-repeat bowling some kid over. This list will look drastically different when they are rising sophs in college.

Say what you want about him, but he is spot on, for the most part. Has been doing this a over 5 years now. If you look at his rankings, then follow the kids in college, you will see they produce. There is also movement in the HS rankings. A watch list kid can improve to a Top 10 and vice versa. He does consult with college coaches who all know and respect his opinion. The kids that may be missed are those who play on either deep or week HS programs and don't play for a big club.

I have to say I have to reluctantly agree with this. I want to trash him like the next guy but watching the 2017 lists the last two years (my kid is a 2017 and is not on the list), there has been a fair amount of movement and the top 23 kids he calls 5-stars like in football, are unquestionably all studs. However, don't know that I agree with the statement that all college coaches "who all know and respect his opinion". He does consult with some, but this is a stretch based on firsthand experience where several think he is a bozo.

Who has actually had a firsthand experience with the kid or met him

No contact with him ever, other than when mine was verbally committed.

Our college coach--assuming he is still there when my son get there--told us to not pay attention to him or anything he says or does?

There are a whole group of guys that report on HS and college lacrosse. Such as Ty, Casey Vock, Quint Q. Paul Carc. They all started at Inside Lacrosse and branched out on their own. They are tight knit with each other, knowlegeble, and passionate about reporting. Football is similar. You people should be happy that our sport is getting this attention. The boys ranked are spoken about in a flattering manor and are well deserving. I really don't understand the hate. My son was not ranked as a freshman and really wanted to be recognized so he put the work in and now he is on the list because he was noticed playing great. And we are not politically connected to anyone, just love lacrosse and support our son.

It's obvious. The most vocal haters are the dads that don't have their kid ranked. These people don't even know this guy. They just want to lash out because they got their feelings hurt and little Johnny is depressed. Hilarious.

Mine is names and I have met this kid. He is just that, a kid trying to make a mark. He is not some lax recruiting guru, so if your kid was named--good for you. If your kid wasn;t dont lose any sleep over the opinions of some 25 yr old kid trying to get a business started.

the college coaches I have spoken to, think he is funny...