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TG purple is no longer a 2nd tier team. TG white is better than them. Both Elevate red and Title 9 are 2nd tier teams. Both solid teams. Should be a good game.

YJ2 is not a 2nd tier team. They have only lost 2 games all summer (with one of those games being to TLC Red in overtime of the LFTC semifinal game). They have also beat several "top tier" teams (eg Capital Blue, Rebels Black, etc) and would beat Elevate Blue.

Tier 1
YJ Team 1 - Rose

Tier 2
YJ Team 2
Elevate Blue
Liberty Black
TG Black

Tier 3
YJ Team 3
Elevate Red
Liberty Purple
TG red
LI Wave

Tier 4
Title 9
YJ Team 4
Elevate White
Liberty White
Beach Bums

Tier 5 or Tier 6
fl$
YJ Teams 5 through 8
Team 91

[quote=Anonymous]Tier 1
YJ Team 1 - Rose

Tier 2
YJ Team 2
Elevate Blue
Liberty Black
TG Black

Tier 3
YJ Team 3
Elevate Red
Liberty Red
TG Purple
LI Wave

Tier 4
Title 9
YJ Team 4
Elevate White
Liberty White
Beach Bums
Express

Tier 5 or Tier 6
fl$
YJ Teams 5 through 8
Team 91

Modified above........

pretty amusing

Tier 4 should be TG White not Liberty - as Liberty does not have a 3rd team. Would be an interesting tournament if pools were set up this way. Thoughts?

I wonder where the Maryland teams would fit in with this tiered system.

title nine is a third level team at this age group ,possibly fourth ,play little competition. Elevate white is about the same

From what I have seen this summer, it would look like this:

Tier 1:
YJ Rose
M&D Black
Skywalkers Blue
TLC Red

Tier 2:
YJ Grazedei
Elevate Blue
Liberty Black
TG Black
Capital Blue
Steps Blue
SJ Select Pink
NEMS
Hero's
Rebels Black
MC Elite
Coppermine Black
and a few more I'm missing

Bottom line is that the four "Tier 1" teams a step above everyone else then there are about 20 very good teams in "Tier 2" that would be competitive with one another.

Is TG black really not a top tier team? Haven't seen them play in a long time and don't know who they have beaten or lost to lately, but last I knew they were close to top a couple years ago.

Nope. Not at this level, 2019 or 2020.

If they are not tier one in your opinion they are certainly at the very top of tier two probably with Hero's & Capital Blue

In 2018 yes, they could be close to the top of tier 2. But, in 2019 and 2020 - no.

Anyone know why TE not sending a team to U15 considering they had an automatic bid?

I believe Hero's took out Rose for the LFTC Championship

True - that could qualify them for first tier status. But, they did not look impressive at G8.

I was there with TE 2017 last year and there were no coaches there. It was a joke. Basically 2 weeks in Virginia (Cap Cup and then U15) is a little much in my opinion...are coaches really going to want to stay that long?

No big loss. Good to see former U15 champs, Skywalkers back at the national championship this year.

A bunch of other top teams are not attending either.

TG slapped 2018 purple in the face, snubbing them in favor of 2019s. Don't the 19s get to go next year?

NOT a TG parent but by looking at the results of TG Purple at Capital Cup (below) it sounds as if the TG Club Directors are doing the right thing by putting the teams in the tournament that give the club the best chance to win. Again, based on the below, TG Purple would not give the TG Club the best chance at winning. So far they are 0-3 and 2 of the games were blowouts.

Integrity 8 LI
Top Guns 2018 Purple 5 (LOSS)

Sky Walkers WHITE 13
LI Top Guns 2018 Purple 6 (LOSS)

LI Top Guns 2018 Purple 5
Mass Elite 2018 Red 18 (LOSSS)

I just saw that Skywalker Blue, Capital Blue and TG 2018 all went 3 -1 at Capital Cup. Capital beat Skywalker, Skywalker beat TG and TG beat Capital Blue. Scores indicate close competitive games.

Does anyone know how pools are set up? Our 2018 team from Mass Elite played in a very weak pool (games were against other clubs 2nd teams TG Purple, Sky Walker White etc) and they won all four games by scores of 18-5, 18-7, 18-1, 17-1.

Not saying they should be in top pool, but it seems like quite a waste of time and money to go all the way to Virginia for that. Can't imagine college coaches get all that much out of games like that.

Are pools set up on how the clubs have done previously? Do club coaches have any influence on placement? Just curious if anyone knows. Thanks.

The one bracket previously mentioned was probably the deepest. Skywalker Blue, Capital Blue and TG Black are very good, plus the Colorado Team 180 is not bad either. TLC was with Steps in another bracket and Heros was with NEMS in another. Thos were probably the three best divisions.

I see Mass Elite was 0-2 at National Draw losing to TG Black 10 to 2. Did they play any of the other top teams??

It seems 2018 liberty black was 0-4 against mediocre teams. I knew they were bad but, wow!!

Mass Elite 2018 didn't have a lot of their best players at National Draw. I think 4 of their top 5 were not there and several others. Again, I don't think they necessarily belong in the very top bracket, but the scores would indicate that they don't belong in the one they were in at Capital Cup. I have a daughter in the 2019 group and don't want to travel next year to Virginia to have 18-1 games, so i was just wondering how they group the teams and whether the 2018 results this year might help our 2019s get placed in a bit better group next year.

TG White is better than Purple. They need to combine the two teams and cut the fat. 10 best from each team and the White goalie and you have a good B team. Way too many bad players on both teams.

Clubs tell tournament organizers what level their teams play at and the organizers put them in like brackets. A Mass Elite parent told me this weekend at one of the "white" team games that the rosters are fluid depending on who signs up to play. So one week white can have a better mix of A players and another week Red could have the better mix. Judging by the results from this weekend, red had the better mix of better players.

According to Dave, the tournament is stupid. It wasn't stupid last year when he had the favored team to win and didn't. He knows 2018 blue isn't beating any of the top teams so why send them.

Elevate 18 Blue tied Heros this weekend. Remember Heros beat YJ 18 Rose at LFTC, so don't be too quick to criticize. The team decided collectively that they didn't want to be in VA for the whole week...end of story.

Parent had that wrong ... Red is the top team and white second. But they do move kids up and down throughout the year. Thanks for the reply tho. It sounds like the club directors have some influence. Hopefully you all had a good time this weekend.

Virginia was mighty hot this weekend but at least the 2018's didn't lose any games (to the weather that is!)

Here is a listing of records over the two days by team.

Top Guns Black 3-1
Elevate Blue 2-1-1
Title 9 3-1
Liberty Black 0-4
LI Wave 3-1
TG Purple 1-3
Elevate Red 2-2
Liberty Red 4-0
TG White 2-1-1
Elevate White 1-2-1
Team 91 3-1
fl$ 0-3-1

thoughts/comments?

The records don't mean anything unless you know who the teams played.

The only reason liberty red and team 91 did well this weekend was because they had the weakest brackets. Other teams were just awful

I don't see the reasoning behind putting A players on a B team. Are you looking for wins or are you looking to get your girls recruited. This was a showcase event. No playoffs.

The ONLY team that is worse than the girls 91 team is fl$. I don't think fl$ won a single game this entire tournament season.

I heard somewhat of the same thing regarding how teams were put into their respective pool; that is that the coach rated their team with 4 being the highest and 1 being the lowest. I was also told that the higher the number of the pool, the better the quality of the teams in the pool and if you look at the 2016-2018 pools, it looks like it is the case.

No. They don't set the teams permanently for the year. If a white team player improves and a bottom red team player doesn't, they may find themselves rostered differently for the next tournament. Keeps competition going throughout the year. But never are the top players put on the second team. No "A" players on "B" teams. Like with most clubs, there are 5-10 girls that are obviously the best, and then a large group in the next tier. Those girls may move around a bit throughout the year based on effort, attendance and skill development. It's a fair and competitive system.

White may win more than purple, this year anyway, but they also play much weaker brackets and teams.

liberty red went 4-0, obviously the best team.