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Madlax 2019 has zero 2018 year players. One 2019 plays up on 2018, and also plays on 2019.

Not really true they have at least 5 re class kids. So you are correct they are 2019 but they are almost 16 years old. They are not cheating it just sucks for 14 year olds.

They have a kid who finished his freshman year at a public school this past spring. He is playing with their 2018 team, but is being held back and is attending a private school this fall, so he will be part of their 2019 team in the fall.

Their 2017 team has a ton of holdbacks. There are holdbacks on nearly every team. They have more holdbacks than the Crabs.

Check your facts. One middie finished 9th grade in public school last year and will attend 10th grade next year. A second rising 10th grader showed up for the Young guns tournament and can be seen in photos back with his 2018 team this past weekend.

Madlax does not try to hide any of the holdbacks from anyone. They know they are not breaking any rules. Because there are no rules when it comes to grade based teams. Ok no enforceable rules with grade based teams. Can someone show me the official cut off date for what grade you are in. You start the year in a grade in school. On the last day you find out if you passed or failed that grade, or you want to redo that year. So one could say you have picked or been told to do the year over on the first day of summer. So you are know graduating in this new year. This point is a fact and the person is not lying. Are the gaming the system, does it suck and hurt other people yes. But it is still with in the guide lines of grad based teams. I hate it but until they point a age limit along with the grade this is all mute. No one is "cheating" they are just playing with in the crappy rules to make the best team. When the little private school fly's in a 7 foot center for the basketball team, when the college has 27 year old players,when the home team lets the grass grow or cuts it short,when the coach ices the kicker, when a team has players from 3 states away or 4 hours away on the team, when a club pays all the fees for a poor really really good player, All these things are with in the rules but some could be looked at as cheating. But cheating is when you break a clear rule. Grade based teams have no clear rules. First verbal of 2019 was a reclass kid on a team with reclass kids. When it stops working it will stop.

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You just made a great argument for why there needs to be a simple rule for grade-based tournaments. Roster forms and registrations often ask for school and graduation year.

How about: "In a graduation year division, the graduation year of a player is based on the grade of the current or recently completed school year, regardless of future plans. Teams must play in the division of the highest graduation year of ANY of its players. For example, if a rising 8th grade team has one player who just completed 8th grade, the team must compete in the rising 9th grade division."

. . . if centralized by US Lacrosse, there should be an open period to reclassify - after all school systems finish their spring semester (like 1 July-1 September).

I agree with these last to post 100%, but calling Madlax cheaters or Crabs cheaters is getting no one any where.

Except it is the truth, you are on a team until there are tryouts for the next season. This is just so plain and simple to everyone doing the right thing and the lines are so blurred for everyone living in denial.(in other words playing for a the blue and yellow or playing for the blue and orange)

Sorry to be rude but its silly to limit reclassing to a specific period of the year. Kids should be able to reclass any time they want. Why? Because the only factor that should be relevant to where someone plays on a club/town/youth team is the date the kid came out of his momma's womb. It should not matter what grade the kid is in.

Try telling a hockey guy that a stud player should be able to stay in Bantam Major for another year because he chooses to not advance to the next grade in school. See what his reaction would be.

Total nonsense. Crabs have more reclass kids on 2019 team than Madlax does in the entire program. For example, this Spring the Crabs reclassed 8 2018 players onto their 2019 team roster. Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older! They joined other prefirst and reclassed kids already on the 2019 roster, making the Crabs 2019 as old as Madlax 2018s.
Crabs are root of reclass problem. Only team close if Edge out of Canada.

"Some attended prefirst, making them 2 years older" If this is true than they will be ineligible to play sports in the MIAA --

From MIAA rules-

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

Have there been kids that sat out their senior year of HS at BL, Gilman etc. I haven't heard of that so I believe the double hold back miaa kid is a myth. Reclassifying a year just for sports is bad enough. Exaggerating just cheapens your argument

Have you ever been to a Gilman football game? I highly doubt this rule is enforced at all. Ever wonder why BL doesn't have any kids on the U19 team? The seniors are all too old.

Keep telling that to yourself, Madlax dad. Is that why they have a 2017 kid on their 2018 team? Or a 2020 kid on their 2021 team?

Madlax has tons of holdbacks on all of their teams.

Madlax can barely field 1 or 2 teams at each year group and now they want to do 3....DC, MD, VA....how can this possibly work?

It works for Madlax because they will find kids to fill those teams. But nearly every B team is a bad experience no matter what the club is. Madlax has some good A teams and some medicore ones. None of their B teams are very good and now they will be even worse as they split into 2.

This is all about money for the owner as it always has been. Why people pay that ridiculous money Academy fee is beyond me.

I think they are betting on bringing in new talent from MD....most of the current teams are VA. It will help not having a "B" team like the Blue was.

It is not going to help. Nobody is going to leave their team to play on one of two B teams for Madlax.

Splitting their B team into two is only going to worsen the experience for the kids on Madlax's B teams.

[quote=Anonymous]It works for Madlax because they will find kids to fill those teams. But nearly every B team is a bad experience no matter what the club is.
Annapolis Hawks 2018 and 2019 Black creams are both solid teams and the boys have uad positive experiences.

Sorry about the spelling mistakes, both are solid teams with good coaching and the boys have had positive experiences, so it can work.

Madlax 2019 Blue only lost 3 games all summer. And those 3 games where to the team that won the tournament. And they lost by 1 or 2 goals. Point being some of the blue teams do when and play well.

Those are also awful tournaments against terrible competition. And when Madlax starts fielding two B teams per grade, the B experience for Madlax will get even worse.

That blue team was not very good, couple of good players, no concepts or schemes.

For a A level team playing in A level during the spring and summer. What local A teams are better. You have a point if you say Blue is paying AA money. But for a team they where a very good A level team.

Please just stop, Hawks and VLC much better teams than that team, Bethesda and Cavalier were equal to Madlax

VLC is a AA team. Hawks are to far for any VA Madlax kid. and Cavs could be a good choice but they carried a 28 kid roster or something like that. You see you can not just say Madlax Blue teams suck with out giving a real option for a kid to go play for. Madlax cost more but plays more. They are still over priced for sure. But can someone from VLC, Cavs, Madlax, and Beth. Please state the total amount of games and practices and the 12 month complete break down for what each pays. Madlax will be the highest $ amount for sure. But compare the money to games and practices played. This should be a great time for the Madlax killers out there to prove what a rip off Madlax is. I would love to say to the Madlax owner the Cavs pay this amount of $ and they play this many games for the year. But no one will every put it on here.

VLC definitely has a problem with practice space and time as well as being modeled after the Crabs. The Crabs have multiple fields and can practice up to four times a week. With the loss of Flint Hill, VLC was averaging one practice a week for the few weeks that they did practice. The cost for VLC youth teams is too much compared to the number of tournaments and practices.

The cost was comparable to Madlax without the monthly fee and winter fees.

See this is the info we all need. . What do the other clubs do for winter. Thats why we all need to stop fighting for our club and just put the info out on the site for all to see and then let each person pick. Every club fills a need just most people do not know what need they want to fill. And I can promise you its good for everyone if we all put the real numbers out in a clean easy to understand way. This will make them all get better with what they give or what they charge.

My kid plays basketball in the winter. He plays football in the fall. He does not need to be playing lacrosse every weekend.

Thank God Madlax doesn't automatically charge my card $150 every month.

Ok I understand that for sure. And this is the place you can put down your club and your clubs cost in clear words for all of us to know how much your club is better and Madlax is bad. Please start typing thank you

its $75 a month for older kids $50 for youngest kids and 100 for the high school kids

What a bargain! I'm allowed to have my credit card charged automatically for $100 a month just for the privilege of being part of the MADLAX ACADEMY!

And when we leave for another club, my card will continue to be charged for another 6 months. SWEET!

Ok for gods sake I get it. So please lay out what you pay and what you get for the great club your kid plays for. I get it the monthly is a joke. But its around $1000 for the year please show me in plan English how Club X is a better deal and what you get for this great better deal. Please Please Please take the time and look at a 12 month span of your sons club add up the clinics or camps and tournament fees and spring fees you have paid and show me clearly what a idiot I am for paying this horrible no good Madlax club my money.
I have a open mind but if Madlax is only higher $500 or less we should stop talking about the money. And talk about the other reason Madlax is good or bad.

Madlax is the strongest program, top to bottom, in DC. Period
It's really not even close.
2016 won UA shootout
2017 lost in semi's of UA, playing up
2018 is stacked, a top 5 team in the country
2019 is the top team in the country.
That's just the HS teams!
All agree the youth teams are strongest in DC

2018 went 1 - 2 - and 1 at fl$ in 3d. Is Madlax Capital 2018 a different team ? That doesn't sound like top 5 ?

2019 is not the top team in the country. They lost to Crabs, FCA, HHH... this season. If you are talking about the National Team, please say so. That team has at least one 10th grader on it.

Stop hating. They beat each of those teams too. Won over 20 games in a row to finish summer, 4 straight tournaments, including toughest tourneys in the country Young Guns and UMD. Finished 2nd in another, losing in overtime. Played toughest schedule and won. Beat the unbeatable Canadian Edge team that registered a 10th grade team in the 9th grade division. Players getting tons of attention from Top D1 recruiters.
If you want to be the best, play with the best. Go Madlax!

the AAA team did not play fl$, but the AA team did and was very competitive. AAA had weekend off and is unquestionably best in DC area and a top 5 team in the country. 6-7 high D1 recruits and counting

You're kidding, right?

1. The 2016 team is a 2nd tier team nationally. The UA shootout is a shell of its former self. It used to have a strong field when Blackwolf won it. Now most of the teams there are garbage. Landon would have won it if their full team had been healthy. Blackwolf 2016 is a much better team. VLC 2016's team is better, too. Best in this area for 2016 is Greene Turtle and Crabs.

2. There is no "playing up" at the UA Shootout. There's just one division, genius. Madlax 2017 is just ok. Both Blackwolf and VLC had much better teams at that grade. Crabs is also the best 2017 team is this area.

3. Madlax 2018 is very good, but Blackwolf 2018 is better. VLC 2018 is definitely below Madlax's, but it's only a few goals difference. Best 2018 team in the area is Crabs.

4. 2019 is not the best team in the country. Crabs 2019 is much better and 2019 got lucky Crabs were upset last week.

Crabs 2019 did not win a tournament all summer. I do not think they made to a final all summer.