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Nice showing by Team Igloo "Black Ice" down at Summer Exposure. Cyclones team out of Charlotte appears, from the score, to have given them a good game before Igloo won 7-6. They dispatched Kooper's 7-3, who lost 4-8 to GT at OC in the 2021AA championship. Igloo then beat a good (NC) Cannons U13 team 5-4 in championship.

Not an Igloo parent here, but lots of good games to see how some non-hotbeds matched up and how well 2021 teams were able to compete against older U13 teams.

Agree Igloo Black Ice showed well this past weekend. We were there and watched that Igloo Black Ice vs. Cyclones game on Saturday after our game. Highly competitive and exciting game. The Cyclones (White - I think) pushed Igloo the entire game. But, Igloo pulled out a win in the final couple minutes. That Charlotte team looked very good. Clearly one of the best teams from the Southern region. Its good to see that the non-hotbeds are starting to close the gap. Will be interesting to see how they compete with our teams in future tournaments. Igloo went on to play the Carolina Cannons in the final. That Cannons team had to have some older kids on their roster. No way that 2 or three of them were age appropriate. Igloo Black Ice pulled out the win. Not an Igloo parent, but, I agree that they looked very strong. Igloo Avalanche is coming up the curve nicely. Their only loss was to that Cyclones team.

Agree Igloo Black Ice showed well this past weekend. We were there and watched that Igloo Black Ice vs. Cyclones game on Saturday after our game. Highly competitive and exciting game. The Cyclones (White - I think) pushed Igloo the entire game. But, Igloo pulled out a win in the final couple minutes. That Charlotte team looked very good. Clearly one of the best teams from the Southern region. Its good to see that the non-hotbeds are starting to close the gap. Will be interesting to see how they compete with our teams in future tournaments. Igloo went on to play the Carolina Cannons in the final. That Cannons team had to have some older kids on their roster. No way that 2 or three of them were age appropriate. Igloo Black Ice pulled out the win. Not an Igloo parent, but, I agree that they looked very strong. Igloo Avalanche is coming up the curve nicely. Their only loss was to that Cyclones team.

Agree Igloo Black Ice showed well this past weekend. We were there and watched that Igloo Black Ice vs. Cyclones game on Saturday after our game. Highly competitive and exciting game. The Cyclones (White - I think) pushed Igloo the entire game. But, Igloo pulled out a win in the final couple minutes. That Charlotte team looked very good. Clearly one of the best teams from the Southern region. Its good to see that the non-hotbeds are starting to close the gap. Will be interesting to see how they compete with our teams in future tournaments. Igloo went on to play the Carolina Cannons in the final. That Cannons team had to have some older kids on their roster. No way that 2 or three of them were age appropriate. Igloo Black Ice pulled out the win. Not an Igloo parent, but, I agree that they looked very strong. Igloo Avalanche is coming up the curve nicely. Their only loss was to that Cyclones team.

Cyclones White plays in the B bracket when it plays in tournaments in Charlotte.

That's because Cyclones White is a 2021 team, not a U13 team. It played in the U13B/2021 bracket. Program is the same as who runs those tournaments.

That said, playing down is rampant in the Southeast. It's a real PITA if you are a quality younger team to have your B bracket populated with older teams trophy hunting. And quite apart from teams that should be in the A bracket based on ability playing in the B bracket, some teams blatantly play down by registering primarily 5th grade teams in 4th grade division, 6th in U11/5th and 7th's in 6th's, etc. I saw a game at a "top" tournament where 4th graders were being guarded by 7th graders. I can understand why tournament directors feel pressure to allow it so they can balance out their brackets, but it's BS.

That's because Cyclones White is a 2021 team, not a U13 team. It played in the U13B/2021 bracket. Program is the same as who runs those tournaments.

That said, playing down is rampant in the Southeast. It's a real PITA if you are a quality younger team to have your B bracket populated with older teams trophy hunting. And quite apart from teams that should be in the A bracket based on ability playing in the B bracket, some teams blatantly play down by registering primarily 5th grade teams in 4th grade division, 6th in U11/5th and 7th's in 6th's, etc. I saw a game at a "top" tournament where 4th graders were being guarded by 7th graders. I can understand why tournament directors feel pressure to allow it so they can balance out their brackets, but it's BS.

That's because Cyclones White is a 2021 team, not a U13 team. It played in the U13B/2021 bracket. Program is the same as who runs those tournaments.

That said, playing down is rampant in the Southeast. It's a real PITA if you are a quality younger team to have your B bracket populated with older teams trophy hunting. And quite apart from teams that should be in the A bracket based on ability playing in the B bracket, some teams blatantly play down by registering primarily 5th grade teams in 4th grade division, 6th in U11/5th and 7th's in 6th's, etc. I saw a game at a "top" tournament where 4th graders were being guarded by 7th graders. I can understand why tournament directors feel pressure to allow it so they can balance out their brackets, but it's BS.

By the way, OP here. I wasn't saying Cannons did anything wrong in the U13A division at Summer Exposure. Nice thing about Hogan is that they actually enforce their own rules. That means it was a U13 team in the highest U13 division. Grade doesn't matter if they are young enough. Technically, as I understand it, they *couldn't" play in the 2020 divisions if they had 2019 kids.

I was talking about multiple other tournaments not enforcing their own rules, when aware teams don't qualify for their divisions. And wth kind of coach plays in a division when they aren't even close to qualifying for it and tells the tournament director they are when they are not? Per above, it's cheating and pathetic and sets bad example.

Hogan does a good job of enforcing the rules for their brackets.

The U13a bracket is age cutoff of Sept 1, 2001 Birthday or younger consistent with US Lacrosse rules (both NC teams fit that bill) grade is not relevant.

The 2020aa bracket is boys who will graduate HS in 2020 and can include reclassified players essentially making it a U14 equivalent.

A 2021 team of mostly u12 players is playing up in U13a and should be commended win or lose. If you lose, you should not be bitter about it. If you win, you should win with class and not make up tall tales about your opponents.

whats the difference A or B as long as the kids are learing something they are in 6th grade come on folks.

Players make the team a or b not the program. For the parents who are upset the team isn't A caliber, look at junior. Make an A team, be on an A team. Don't think your son will be on a new team and it will an A team just because they say it will be an A team.

The difference is the parent were sold one thing and given another. Now I maintain that parents are responsible for knowing what they are signing their child up for, but it can be tough sometimes.

I would agree with you if the parents were paying $150 for rec lacrosse, but when you are paying $1500+ you should have certain expectations. Unfortunately, club lacrosse is ruining the experience for the B player.

There is no such thing as A or B. Those are single distinction made by clubs to break down thier own inner teams. Outside it means nothing. For Example if you where to put Recon, Jesters, Outlaws and Legacys A teams into the Igloo organization they would be deemed B teams. In truth Outlaws and Legacy are both in the top 7 lax teams on LI . In Turn, both Jetsers and Recon would be B teams in the Outlaws or Legacy organization. The most important thing is finding a team where the level of play matches your son. If he cant keep up he will learn nothing . Let me tell you something about some B teams. I know of B teams whos coaches have better resumes and practice even more then their organizations A teams. Those parents keep THEIR MOUTHS SHUT. Why tell everybody how great your team is , so next tryout theres an extra 100 kids trying to make the team ?