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Looks like the troll is back. Go back to your pathetic club board.

They would be better off teaming up with one of the MIAA coaches from Loyola, MSJ or Gilman...Rock has SP & Brocato, FCA has Kelly from CHC and Crabs have McD with Hilgartner and Ubriaco from BL...coaches benefit from recruiting kids into high school and teams leverage MIAA relationships...who says recruiting begins in 9th grade...watch how many MIAA coaches patrol the sidelines at local rec games!

how's the north carroll youth lacrosse program!?!?!

What's that have to do,with looneys

Loyola runs MD Wolfpack.

not sure loyola coach has much to do with wolfpack other than maybe coaching one of the older teams. Not sure Crawford Matthews have a great interest in club scene.

I predict that it will be tough sledding for a for-profit team like 91 to charge enough to make a profit and attract talented kids from other clubs. Balto is a fickle market...

Surprised the 2020 Orange is not going to Beachlax with so many top teams on the slate

2020 Orange heading to Vail....

wolfpack at Liberty Shootout this weekend?

A tourney and a great time for the kids and families. That is what this is all about right?

Terrible club. Terrible competition. Terrible tournament.

Their playing the Sons 2020 and a stars and stripes 2020 plus one 2019 game vs a Ridge Futures? Mesa 2019 is in their bracket but they play the Sons 2020 and Mesa 2018? WTH

Hey looneys parents, crabs 2020 looking for a few good men to add.

LI dads are obsessed with finding excuses why they losem

Yeah MEN

Easy to say, but I'd love to hear what MD parents would say if LI teams all of a sudden added 8 kids to a roster that should be heading into HS or 10th. Why not stack the team with the biggest, oldest and toughest allowed- it's legal right? Who knows- there just might be enough crazies to join you and rock the boat! Can you imagine? Then let's see who cries foul.

I love the "MD Parents" part. For clarity the "MD Parents" who allow holdbacks are private school "MD Parents". The public school "MD Parents" do not. Your ignorance amuses me.

Example. "L.I. Parents" act like clowns and fools on the sidelines during games.

1. The number is nowhere close to 8

2. Some of the "new" kids were always 2020, but had been playing up last year

3. A handful of their 2019 kids decided to reclassify and they are now playing with kids in their grade

4. You are simply mad because, after losing to this team, some parents of rival MD clubs are trying to stir the pot, so now you have your "well, THAT'S why we lost" excuse


It's youth sports. It doesn't matter who wins a random tournament. All this ranting just makes you LI parents look like lunatics.

to the LI argument though, a 2020 player should be born between September 1, 2001 and August 31, 2002. Any players born before September 1, 2001 should be playing in the 2019 bracket regardless of graduating year, this should be their actual graduation year if they weren't left back, held back, or went to pre-first.

Kids in first through 8th should be playing against kids their own age, unless good enough to play up. Under no circumstance should kids be allowed to play down against kids younger than themselves.

Oh, and the argument of they play older kids in high school doesn't really hold up much either. Most schools have a freshman team, or a fresh/soph team along with JV and varsity.

AGREE INFINITY %

Please stop this rational thinking! We need holdbacks for a select few parents and clubs. It just isnt fair that they would have to compete on a level playing field at the youth level Come on..Go Holdbacks

[quote=Anonymous]to the LI argument though, a 2020 player should be born between September 1, 2001 and August 31, 2002. Any players born before September 1, 2001 should be playing in the 2019 bracket regardless of graduating year, this should be their actual graduation year if they weren't left back, held back, or went to pre-first.

Kids in first through 8th should be playing against kids their own age, unless good enough to play up. Under no circumstance should kids be allowed to play down against kids younger than themselves.






What is so magical about 9/1? The reality is that tournaments attract teams from all over and each school district or private school has its own policies. 9/1 is the worst possible cutoff date to pick if you want people to buy in to an age limitation because it attempts to mimic school class while while leaving out large numbers of kids who have never reclassed. I understand the [lacrosse]'s or World Series dates of 6/1 and 5/1 are not perfect but they stop the worst of the abuses while actually having hope of being accepted.

the 9/1 cutoff is ideal kids to compete against kids their own age and in their own grade, it creates as level of a plying field as you can have. The only kids that would be affected by this (not playing with kids their age and grade) are the kids that were held back or went to pre-first.

Maybe where you live. By being myopic in your choice of dates you are eliminating any chance of of any real progress. Move the date three or four months and you get a chance of enough clubs and parents buying in to the rule to make it happen. The best example is the Crabs going to the World Series of Lacrosse which has a May cutoff.

Take this to the age verification or 2020 board

What is progress??? Letting select group of children play down in youth athletics???? Not to most normal people. Youth sports is for youth athletics and a fair playing field...Not the chosen ones or the Crabs or whoever.
How about just change dates in youth lacrosse to May 1 for anyone that wants to play. Then you are doing the right thing.
Letting select parents and children get an advantage goes against just about everything you ever hear in youth sports.

Please - the team has more than 8 holdbacks. Regardless of when the "new" players decided to hold back - they are still hold backs. The newly graduated 8th graders should have at least waited until after the current 7th graders graduated from non-private schools. With respect to #4, all I have read is that the opposite is true - all of the teams they tied or had close games with are pretty proud of themselves for playing kids 1-2 years older and being more than competitive. Keep trying to convince others but Baltimore is a small world and everybody knows the kids and their history. Interesting will be how many of the Beach Lax 2020 Crabs kids can go to Denver.

For their 2022 team

In this case, the LI dads associated with Crush do have something to complain about. As a Marylander who watched that game the Crabs stacked their team. Everyone from Maryland knew it as these kids are all known in the area. No fan of Crush and some of their player;s behavior this weekend, but they would have won that game if they had been playing kids their own age and deserved the Championship.Crabs would not have gotten to the Championship with their regular 2020 team.

How is that eliminating progress? Going by the school birthday cutoff you are ensuring kids are only competing against their piers, rather than kids playing down and creating an unfair and unsafe atmosphere for the kids on the field. This also allows more kids the opportunity to play on some more select club teams

Funny! but sadly probably true

No worries we will bring our "I promise to pg kids" onto our teams and match you age for age. You can be a lunatic then too.

What I do not get- kids all over the US are fighting hard to get spots and be brought up to JV in MS or Varsity as a freshman and the prestige is being able to play with the older kids. Who told you that playing 1-2 years below your grade was prestigious? Great- it will get you looks, maybe a spot on the bench- but when a coach is recruiting- do you not think they are going to be looking at the kids that can play with the older ones, rather than run with the young ones? Eventually all kids catch up- and grow a beard. Won't it be sad for the big 8th grader that reclassed to find that he is among a group of men 2-3 years later and no longer a stand out. He got a spot, but will that coach still want him? I'd be wary. No crazies over here- staying within your grade sounds a lot more sane than crazy which would be taking that gamble. GL to all these kids because in the end- no one cares if your 8th, 9th, 10th grade team wins- they are looking at individuals, with skill, perseverance, determination, heart and soul. It will not matter if you reclassed or not- if you have the skill, they will want you, even if they offered someone an earlier spot.

If you don't think a college recruiter is going to look favorably on whoever looks impressive for his grade - regardless of his birthday - you are really trying to convince yourself of some alternate reality.

Sorry your team lost. Get over it.

9/1 isn't the cutoff everywhere. When you try to make up a rule nationally that only makes sense where you live than the rule loses its legitimacy. If you use the [lacrosse]'s or World Series date than enough momentum can be developed to actually get something done. One reason the 9/1 date hasn't worked is that too many boys get pushed up unnecessarily.

We all know that, but if we make enough noise about holdbacks who knows, maybe something will change.

Luckily, we now have the Looney's forum for that.

This discussion is not about winning or losing - it is about doing what is right for all the kids, the sport and teaching our kids to be good sports but would not expect a holdback/win at all costs supporter to understand that. Your win is empty - playing kids younger and much smaller than you just means you are bigger and older - not a winner.

Except my son didn't repeat a grade nor was he involved in the tournament in question. I'm just an observer who likes to see the ridiculous commentary here, primarily from distraught LI dads.

The good thing is you guys consistently deliver incredible material. Time and time again.

Sorry, your kid couldn't get noticed among his peers. Sucks to have to play down.

He's not. God, you are going to be pain in the rear when your son plays kids in HS older than him. Are you going to complain to the principal then?