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Ask yourself this question? How will your hold back/reclass handle playing against kids his own age or older in HS? If he can't play on age now (if he could you wouldn't have reclassed)how will he ever? Oh, and wait until he has to face older kids, like your decision to re-class forces my kid to handle it now. I suspect your softy will wilt like the petite flower you know he is... Take a look at most of the leading scorers in D-1. Age legit and from LI, it's a common theme. Good luck.

Even though the disparity is less you will still have 19-20 year old holdbacks playing against 16-17 year olds.

The system is broken and must be fixed. Until then we'll keep making noise.

LI dads are insane. This thread proves it.

I took a PG year in football. That year we had 9 PG's on the team and we ran through everyone. There were times we were playing against sophomores and the refs asked us to tone it down. The PG year worked for me as I was a D2 D3 kid who ended up getting offers and serious looks from many D1AA schools. Many of them great academic schools. Point is, this notion that in HS being one year older doesn't matter, well thats nonsense. Back in the day we decided on PG years (in football) if we thought it would help us get into the school or schools we wanted to. I'm not opposed to the hold back craze. I do think in the Middle School grades that there still should be some sort of age cut off. I may plan to hold my kid back. The difference is I would still have him play with his current team I just would have him go to his grad year at showcase events not normal club tournaments. There is no justification if you have a summer birthday kid say June who starts school late and then reclasses later. Way to large of an age disparity and physical maturity.

This thread may end up proving that this Club, with the consent of MD Dads and Moms needs to play kids down two years at times to beat talented teams from LI and elsewhere. If the allegations are true then you may want to reconsider who is insane. It seems the LI Dads simply call you out on it.

That's just not true, a kid on my son's club team last spring/summer had to play 2018 because of his age, but played 2019 FCA over summer in a few tournaments and played FCA 2019 strictly this year.

No I do not find it bizarre, I know of a few coaches in various sports, including a private strength trainer, that asks to see MS kids report cards to make sure they are staying on top of their grades. I find it very respectable and wish more would do so. [/quote

Keeping on top of the subject of grades is one thing, being able to produce a kid's report card is another. I have been coaching for over 30 years and in my opinion, the youth coach should be encouraging kids to perform well in the class room and be good citizen's on and off of the field, but a child's report card is really none of his business unless he has a son on the team and he is looking at his report card. It is the parent's job to make sure a child is getting the grades that he should attaining, it is the coaches job to reinforce that.

Bravo - spot on, it's you MD parents that are insane. You consciously cheat, and you live in Baltimore.

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

FCA 2019's starting attack and goalie are true 2020's. not holdbacks

Can he play in Denver?

If he was just in 7th grade then he is a 2020. Let's focus on the ones who just finished 8th grade and will be in 8th grade again in September, there were a few of them and the parents were very open about that.

They're claiming that they didn't break any rules, a lack of rules does not make it right. To the rest of us it looks, feels, and smells wromg.

Unfortunately this is an accepted practice with these people and the club feeds off of it. Don't expect things to change until more tournaments put in age restrictions. Even better, if tournaments had some backbone they would tell these teams that they are not welcome. Until then just need to call it out whenever we see it.

In the meantime looking forward to the rematch in Denver, never thought I'd say this but...go Crush!

The great middie that played for Crabs 2020 this weekend repeated a grade a few years back for academic reasons. He just completed 7th grade. He is a fantastic player and has played for Crabs 2019 for the last two years because he is good enough to do so. He will not be able to play for them next year because he will not be in high school. Where would you like him to play?

They would ALL like him to play on their team.

If true, that is two of the several players that they change between 2019 and 2020 depending on who they are playing. Pick a roster and stay with it. The Club does not seem to be looking out for the development of the kids on the true 2020 roster if you are sending the message they need the help for the tough games.

Thank you. This is what I was trying to explain

So he started as a 2019 until he repeated a grade(just not this year) and now Crabs are switching his grade to 2020 which still makes him a holdback and 1-2 years older than the true 7th graders depending on whether he had a pre 1st year in addition to the repeat year. In addition, several of the kids who were added to the already over-age 2020 roster just graduated 8th grade from Baltimore private schools last week and are reclassing to repeat 8th grade next year and they, their parents and their Club were okay with them playing with kids still in 7th grade. Locally, everyone knows the kids playing on the higher level teams and their schools etc. so there is really no defending Crabs actions this weekend. These kids made the 2019 team this past fall, played 2019 in fall and spring and are now suddenly playing 2020 this past weekend while they are still listed out there as 2019 Crabs in many web locations. And the ones that went to private from the beginning already had a one year advantage via pre-1st. It is a joke - they all looked like grown men next to the 12 and 13 year olds and their parents and clubs do not see this as wrong? Poor kids.

That player Can Not play in Denver misses the cut off . Sure that surprises....no one

Well then kudos to the organizers for instituting the date cutoff, hopefully the beginning of a trend.

Are you just mad that they beat your team? So you try and say that they cheat to make you feel better

what tournament is in denver that is being referred to?

Exactly ..Only in the wild world of lacrosse is the Team ages/grades all over the place. What is best for club and select few,,not what is best overall... Soccer is an example that cleaned their act up...Such a easy simple solution with cards and age...School teams still get to do what ever they want..but youth sports in soccer is under control by adults ...not children like Ryan and his type.

That is easy...
Play with his age until he gets on his school middle or HS team. what is so hard to see and comprehend ?????
Are you telling me Crabs wont let him play with children his age ??? Spare us that BS...Crabs do whatever they want with ages and grades!

Can he play in Denver?

heard this the other day. this crabs team has parents holding their kids back a grade or two so they can dominate Lmao!! Yeah that's just great. Jack asses.

So the child's grades were failing but he still had time to go to practices, games, tournaments with Crabs. Yep those parents have their priorities down ...

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites

Or maybe he has a learning disability you jackass...Jesus. You are talking about a kid.

He played with the 8th grade team at his school last year. Played with his own grade 7th grade team this year. You guys do realize you are talking about a kid here right? A kid that is in 7th grade and did not go to prefirst. So he's big and fast and a dominant player. He MUST be cheating then right?

The kid in question did not go to prefirst. Maybe sometimes kids need to repeat a grade for academic reasons?!? I guess those selfish parents should tell him to figure out his learning issues because they don't want him to dominate the other 4th grade boys in lacrosse. He has played 1 or 2 years above his grade level in school and for Crabs. He is not allowed to keep playing with the 2019s because he isn't in high school. He is a good kid and a great lacrosse player. You people are unbelievable.

Let's hope the trend continues for grade based tourneys with accompanying age restrictions. Not sure how to get the tourney organizers to realize this is what most people want and to encourage them not to cater to the clubs that manipulate the system.

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games

There are holdback teams in NY too. Both states are equally guilty of having certain teams that do this and having isolated players across other teams. Generalizing about all teams in either state is childish when we should be working together to encourage promoters not to allow it at any tournament.

Warrior World Series of Lacrosse, or something like that, July 2-4. The championship game will be on ESPN2.

All participants must prove that they were born after May 1st (31st?) of 2001. As a result, many of the kids on the Crabs team that won this weekend are not eligible to play.

Curent invitees...

• 3d Select Colorado

• C2C Dallas (Texas)

• Baltimore Lacrosse Club (Md.)

• Denver Elite (Colo.)

• Eclipse Lacrosse Club (Conn.)

• Leading Edge Elite 2020 (N.J.)

• Michigan Warriors (Mich.)

• Rising Sons Lacrosse (Penn.)

• Team 91 Crush (N.Y.)

• Team Carolina (N.C.)

So everyone from LI says that they know that the Crabs, Edge, FCA, Hawks etc... Cheat by bringing older kids down from one grad year to another to play and what a shame or disgrace it is....that is crap. All you lacrosse holy rollers from LI need to stuff it. The Beachlax tournament offered both grade and age based divisions so if you were so worried about the big bad cheaters coming down and being unfair to junior, then your club should have entered the age based division, but no. Instead you rather play with the big boys then complain when you lose. So next time make sure you enter junior in age based or don't complain about something you claim that you know for fact that other clubs cheat. Give it a rest! Or just maybe you would have been exposed with older players had you entrred the age based division?

And from what I witness from attending prospect days with my sons, it is not the Crabs, Canadians, FCA or others that you claim cheat rolling out of the drivers side of dad's car at registration. Instead they are the cars with PA, NY and NJ Plates that have players with LI EXPRESS, leading edge, BBL and Dukes shorts. So stop the we honor the game and the rest cheat BS. Get in where you fit in or stop crying ladies.

Of course they and all the rest of the holdback apologists see no wrong in it..Its the Private school lacrosse world. These are the same schools that constantly preach having good moral character. Well unless sports are to be won or competed in. Then its all about the W. What a bunch of hypocrites [/quote]

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games[/quote]

If you think those kids on Crabs were average players at the 2019 level you are kidding yourself.

How did they choose these teams? Team Carolina (Cyclones) is the only team from the southern region and they played in the B bracket of their own tournament last weekend. They are probably the third best u13 team in south Charlotte.

Not sure but since this is their inaugural year I'd cut them some slack. Their site says that there will be a formal qualifying process for 2016.

You make it sound like it is okay to cheat. Feel even sorrier for you now. Keep justifying what you are doing.

If he repeated a grade then yes.

You guys should come see my 13 yr old play against his 11 year old brother and his friends, he's amazing and scores at will....but he's an average player with his own age group so please don't come watch those games[/quote]

If you think those kids on Crabs were average players at the 2019 level you are kidding yourself. [/quote]

The 2019 kids that played with the 2020 teamlast weekend are average. That is why tney are repeating.