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lol, are you saying that since NY has a cutoff of 12/1 a tournament that invites a team from NY should go with that cutoff? You are funny! Most of the country have cutoffs of 9/1 and it is very common for boys with summer birthdays to start K when they just turned 6, instead of starting as a young 5 year old. NY is totally in the minority with the 12/1 cutoff

You must have a tremendous amount of free time, and your detailed knowledge about these boys is borderline disturbing.

You must have a tremendous amount of free time, and your detailed knowledge about these boys is borderline disturbing.

I know many are happy to see Crush lose. They have nothing to be ashamed of, and fought a great game that could have gone either way. The bigger issue here is the cheating. All of the great top LI teams that play fair will have to deal with this. It is time to demand age regulation. Teams like Crush can still be competitive with the cheating holdbacks, but what about some of the other very good teams. Just not a true competition for either team. If you chose to play up, that is one thing, otherwise, it is not in the spirit of fair competition.Sad!

Please do not paint all of the Maryland teams with the Crabs brush. There are more teams that are age appropriate and enjoy good classy competition than there are teams that cheat to win. Unfortunately, the current #1 team in Maryland is generating the most noise. The legitimate teams in Maryland are not supportive of the Crab's model and we are also confident that most NY teams do not throw punches on the field and say profanities to their opponent while cross checking them. We are no fan of Crushes field tactics and behavior, but they should not have lost the Championship to a team that had boys who finished 8th grade last week. Aloha should be doing the right thing and awarding the Championship to Crush and disqualifying the Crabs.

As much as people dislike the crush 15-year-olds playing against 12 and 13-year-olds is not okay on any level. This time it's Crush next time maybe it's my sons team. God for bid a boy is injured due to this type of thing. Probably more depressing for the crabs is that a team of eighth and ninth graders age wise could only be a seventh grade team by one in overtime

Expreess 2020 had a reality check at Forsberg this weekend .. Played well but were beaten by 2019 teams . Hard to play up and compete

Add to their embarrassment that the same team of 8th and 9th graders only won by 1 in OT against a no hold back Breakers and by two in regular play to an on age Next Level. The size difference alone in these games should have clued in Aloha. Crush should have been the overall winner despite their behavior in earlier games. Aloha seems to be afraid to ever do the right thing in these tourneys and will never ask a team like Crabs for their age cards as they fear the revenue loss. Those boys could not have produced a 7th grade report card unless it was dated May 2014 and do not understand that it is not okay. Enjoy your tainted trophy as you will never get what it means to feel the real joy in winning.

Expreess 2020 had a reality check at Forsberg this weekend .. Played well but were beaten by 2019 teams . Hard to play up and compete

Put 3Village in your conversation for top 2020 teams.

Lets See:

The Crabs openly promote holdbacks.

They enter a tournament where eligibility is based upon graduation year.

The have kids that are being held back so they will graduate in 2020.

They enter the 2020 division.

Other teams choose not to play in the age based divisions of the same tournament but instead play in the graduation year based divisions of the same tournament despite knowing that the Crabs will be in the tournament.

The Crabs win and the other teams complain that the Crabs did what the Crabs have said they were going to do all along.

These same teams will clamor to be in other tournaments that the Crabs either promote or attend so they can say that they play the "best"

The parents of the other teams whine rather than take responsibility for their own actions.

The reality is that the Crab's actions are facilitated by a bunch of parents that want to focus on crowning some mythical middle school national club champion instead of focusing on making sure their sons are having fun and getting better. Frankly, I am more disturbed by all of the stories about the Crush kids who sit the bench in the tournaments than the stories about the Crabs playing older players

Put 3Village in your conversation for top 2020 teams.

I wouldn't call it a reality check. Playing up is tough, and a bit scary given how mature 8th graders are compared to 7th graders - bigger, stronger, faster, overall better lacrosse players. I give them credit for playing 3 close games and they're a smallish team for their age anyway. No shame in losing to older teams.

The problem with including town teams with travel teams is the overlap of players. For instance, Manhasset has an excellent town team but I think a lot of those players are Terps as well. Strictly for town teams in the 2020 year, I believe Three Village and Manhasset are the best I've seen while Rockville Center and Sachem are also pretty good. If anyone else wants to chime in on town teams they know or have seen, intelligent input would be welcome. But, to the original point, trying to rank town teams with travel teams does not make much sense.

Add to their embarrassment that the same team of 8th and 9th graders only won by 1 in OT against a no hold back Breakers and by two in regular play to an on age Next Level. The size difference alone in these games should have clued in Aloha. Crush should have been the overall winner despite their behavior in earlier games. Aloha seems to be afraid to ever do the right thing in these tourneys and will never ask a team like Crabs for their age cards as they fear the revenue loss. Those boys could not have produced a 7th grade report card unless it was dated May 2014 and do not understand that it is not okay. Enjoy your tainted trophy as you will never get what it means to feel the real joy in winning.

The problem with including town teams with travel teams is the overlap of players. For instance, Manhasset has an excellent town team but I think a lot of those players are Terps as well. Strictly for town teams in the 2020 year, I believe Three Village and Manhasset are the best I've seen while Rockville Center and Sachem are also pretty good. If anyone else wants to chime in on town teams they know or have seen, intelligent input would be welcome. But, to the original point, trying to rank town teams with travel teams does not make much sense.

Agreed, great to challenge the team playing up, just don't act like a baby when you lose! At least the teams at Foresberg knew what they were getting.

Lets See:

The Crabs openly promote holdbacks.

They enter a tournament where eligibility is based upon graduation year.

The have kids that are being held back so they will graduate in 2020.

They enter the 2020 division.

Other teams choose not to play in the age based divisions of the same tournament but instead play in the graduation year based divisions of the same tournament despite knowing that the Crabs will be in the tournament.

The Crabs win and the other teams complain that the Crabs did what the Crabs have said they were going to do all along.

These same teams will clamor to be in other tournaments that the Crabs either promote or attend so they can say that they play the "best"

The parents of the other teams whine rather than take responsibility for their own actions.

The reality is that the Crab's actions are facilitated by a bunch of parents that want to focus on crowning some mythical middle school national club champion instead of focusing on making sure their sons are having fun and getting better. Frankly, I am more disturbed by all of the stories about the Crush kids who sit the bench in the tournaments than the stories about the Crabs playing older players

This is the problem with lots of people, too many people are only worried about winning. Playing up and losing is often way better for a team than playing on grade and winning

Not hearing much from those Viper folks about not playing in the "A" division of a tournament after squeaking out wins against "B" teams and losing to a very good but not travel 3 Villages town team.

The "lots of people" clearly was NOT refereeing to Express. I am pretty sure if Express was just worried about winning, they would not be playing up. I would think, that their coaches wanted to challenge their players, maybe give their defense a good work out, which is why they chose to play up. I doubt that the original poster was from the Express camp either. I am pretty sure it was someone trying to stir the pot and point out that Express isn't that great because they lost to 2019 team. I personally think they should be congratulated for playing up and taking some lumps. In the long run, they will be better players because of it!!

By "lots of people" do you mean Express itself? Why do you think they have championship photos splashed all over their own website? Give me a break with the "it's not about winning" routine....

Very true.....most of the towns are second teams for these kids.

Looks like the results tell the story. Good b team aspiring to be A

Not hearing much from those Viper folks about not playing in the "A" division of a tournament after squeaking out wins against "B" teams and losing to a very good but not travel 3 Villages town team.

I agree with you. Good for them for challenging themselves! But let's also keep it real. The Terps played up because they thought they could run the table and then brag that they won a tournament playing against 2019s. They want to win everytime they step on the field.

Put 3Village in your conversation for top 2020 teams.