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As an outside observer, I was hoping I could get a question answered? Are YJ girls taught to engage on defense with their bottom hand extended and basically butt ending the attacking player? I see it consistently at all grade levels.

How exactly did she treat you like a second class citizen? Any and all teams playing this weekend are on their own. CR had nothing to do with setting it up. Step up to the plate and do something to help your daughter's team out. If her team is not here, it's on you!

What tourn. are we speaking about here.. as a "second class" citizen I would be interested in knowing. Maybe next year I can step up for us and organize a trip..

Lost in finals, lots of unhappy players and parents on 2020 Curcio. Huntington HS mom coach at it again. Kids left crying and team lost because of coaches. They got away from what makes them a great "TEAM" and went with a bunch of individuals out of there normal positions while some children were playing entire games including pool play and about 40-50 % of roster barely played and many didn't play at all. Oh and yes her daughter played entire games every second of most games, the games that she didn't play every second she played 90% of!

Are you under the impression that other top clubs don't do the same thing? As an M&D parent, I can assure you that they always play to win. This isn't town/rec lacrosse. There are plenty of games that YJ play that are blowouts and I am sure that the rest of the roster plays plents throughout a tournament. But yes, in a close game, there are girls thta hardly play or do not play at all. [/quote

Yes but her daughter is not good enough to warrant that much playtime, that's the difference.

Lost in finals, lots of unhappy players and parents on 2020 Curcio. Huntington HS mom coach at it again. Kids left crying and team lost because of coaches. They got away from what makes them a great "TEAM" and went with a bunch of individuals out of there normal positions while some children were playing entire games including pool play and about 40-50 % of roster barely played and many didn't play at all. Oh and yes her daughter played entire games every second of most games, the games that she didn't play every second she played 90% of!

Are you under the impression that other top clubs don't do the same thing? As an M&D parent, I can assure you that they always play to win. This isn't town/rec lacrosse. There are plenty of games that YJ play that are blowouts and I am sure that the rest of the roster plays plents throughout a tournament. But yes, in a close game, there are girls thta hardly play or do not play at all. [/quote

Yes but her daughter is not good enough to warrant that much playtime, that's the difference.

If you watched Mount Sinai - which is basically all YJ's - you would see all of the YJ tactics on display. Butt ends, cross checks, checking around the head, flops, goggle grabs, pulling strings, walking after the whistle, throwing your stick and knocking off your own goggles and head band, etc. etc.

It's really gross to teach the players to play the way they play.

Unlikely you are from M&D and if you are you are clueless. This particular "TEAM" YJ 2020 Curcio is good 1 thru 24, that is there upside! They have won in the past by wearing teams down and pulling away, the point is there isn't a single player on that roster that is that much better from top to bottom to warrant playing every second while another child does not. I'm not saying that some are not a bit better but 100% playing time to zero is disgraceful. The results were evident, the fact are when they went to this superior "line-up" the team struggled, they made numerous basic mistakes repeated off sides, unforced throwing errors, bad shooting choices, running ball up from defensive end to goal over and over, getting beat on slides, defenders consistently off sided, not a single attack in a low position or at X, what they got was lots of head down all about me and the result was they lost and looked bad in the games that they "needed to win". Yet in they Skywalker blue game the team was managed roughly the same way they normally play and it was wonderful to watch. They beat a very talented team handily and were even complimented by the Skywalker coaches. Does it mean they would have or will win every game they play "no" but I can bet they all would be happier and still win 99% of the time. Any of the top teams could have beaten each other on any given day, completion is good for all when given the ability to compete. The coaches were belittling and destroyed the confidence of many children and than when politely asked about it they completely denied it. Every child heard it and most told there parents. Great job ladies "coaches" you should be proud! Huntington coach/mom way to keep proving people right! As for the young lady coaches hopefully you learned something this weekend you were both players and some day god will bless you with children of your own. "remember that"

Unlikely you are from M&D and if you are you are clueless. This particular "TEAM" YJ 2020 Curcio is good 1 thru 24, that is there upside! They have won in the past by wearing teams down and pulling away, the point is there isn't a single player on that roster that is that much better from top to bottom to warrant playing every second while another child does not. I'm not saying that some are not a bit better but 100% playing time to zero is disgraceful. The results were evident, the fact are when they went to this superior "line-up" the team struggled, they made numerous basic mistakes repeated off sides, unforced throwing errors, bad shooting choices, running ball up from defensive end to goal over and over, getting beat on slides, defenders consistently off sided, not a single attack in a low position or at X, what they got was lots of head down all about me and the result was they lost and looked bad in the games that they "needed to win". Yet in they Skywalker blue game the team was managed roughly the same way they normally play and it was wonderful to watch. They beat a very talented team handily and were even complimented by the Skywalker coaches. Does it mean they would have or will win every game they play "no" but I can bet they all would be happier and still win 99% of the time. Any of the top teams could have beaten each other on any given day, completion is good for all when given the ability to compete. The coaches were belittling and destroyed the confidence of many children and than when politely asked about it they completely denied it. Every child heard it and most told there parents. Great job ladies "coaches" you should be proud! Huntington coach/mom way to keep proving people right! As for the young lady coaches hopefully you learned something this weekend you were both players and some day god will bless you with children of your own. "remember that"

Cue the standard YJ responses of:

1. If your daughter can't play the physical (illegal) game, she won't stand a chance in college -- continually misses the point that these are kids not college athletes

2. "If you're not cheating, you're not trying" --- ethics many parents and coaches don't want to teach their children and players, but it's fine with this organization

If you watched Mount Sinai - which is basically all YJ's - you would see all of the YJ tactics on display. Butt ends, cross checks, checking around the head, flops, goggle grabs, pulling strings, walking after the whistle, throwing your stick and knocking off your own goggles and head band, etc. etc.

It's really gross to teach the players to play the way they play.

Welcome to what the rest of us deal with when we share school fields with YJ's. The individual selfish play doesn't look or feel too good right? If anyone goes to the cage that many times they are going to get lost of goals

It really was just an honest question. Are the girls coached these techniques?(In terms of coming in with their butt ends) If so, that is a shame.

my daughter played through the YJ system and currently plays in college and she was NEVER taught to play unfairly you people are nuts. The MT Sinai girl who pulls her strings does it because she gets away with it but was not taught that by CR or any other coach...most of these kids will do what they can until they get caught..stop blaming coaches and directors and start looking at parents. WHen something doesnt work you willhear a dad or mom tell their kids to do something completely against what the coach wants!!

my daughter played through the YJ system and currently plays in college and she was NEVER taught to play unfairly you people are nuts. The MT Sinai girl who pulls her strings does it because she gets away with it but was not taught that by CR or any other coach...most of these kids will do what they can until they get caught..stop blaming coaches and directors and start looking at parents. WHen something doesnt work you willhear a dad or mom tell their kids to do something completely against what the coach wants!!

There are some coaches who can coach a team where their daughter (or son) is on the team and do a really good job. However, KW is not one of those coaches. She has clear conflicts of interest and she is not a good coach.

Well, I am an M&D parent. In fact, I am a parent of one of the championship teams from this weekend. I would assume you played well against the Skywalkers 2020 team. They were 2-8 this spring. Our team went to a very short bench in the finals. In fact, there was not one substitution in the second half. Is this the way the substitutions are normally done? Of course not. But the coaches are going to try to win. I highly doubt that all 24 players on YJ 2020 are at the same level. That's impossible at this age as there will always be a group of girls that are clearly better than the rest. One thing I will say is that all the YJ teams that I watch rely much more on individual matchups than they do in running good offense and working for good scoring opportunities. M&D cuts constantly, has patient feeders from behind the cage and is able to work for high percentage scoring opportunities. Do they have girls that can consistently beat their girl? Of course.

So, while I may be clueless, complaining about playing time is pointless.

Are Rose and Curcio aware of the severity of this situation? Many parents are furious and will not tolerate a full season of inept coaching. The 2020 blue team is seriously on the brink of disintegration. Not being dramatic, just stating the facts.

my daughter played through the YJ system and currently plays in college and she was NEVER taught to play unfairly you people are nuts. The MT Sinai girl who pulls her strings does it because she gets away with it but was not taught that by CR or any other coach...most of these kids will do what they can until they get caught..stop blaming coaches and directors and start looking at parents. WHen something doesnt work you willhear a dad or mom tell their kids to do something completely against what the coach wants!!

Just so you know, it wasn't KW making the line changes, it was the young woman coach.

Oh no , I am sure they are so terrified that a few complaining 2020 parents are going to topple the whole club.Go watch coach Roses team and see how she runs it.

No, it won't topple the whole club. But its poor business sense (and disrespectful) to ignore legitimate complaints by parents about thow their children are being treated by coaches...even if that coach is a longtime friend. Business versus friendship/nepotism. The dollar always wins out.

I bet the blue team falls apart by next weekend. Jones's top kids better get ready to be pulled up.

Is is any surprise that day 1 of travel season someone is already complaining about the same things that people complain about every single year no matter what team, age or even program. It's the same story every season. I say whining because someone comes on here and "anonymously" complains. If it means that much and is that serious, handle it like an adult. You will always have complaining parents - ALWAYS! You can't make everyone happy. So complain away behind a computer and watch absolutely nothing change except for people becoming more and more arrogant. The problem YOU have here is apparently a problem for a few (believe it or not, I'm sure there are people who probably don't agree with you and are quite content with YJ 2020) and you can complain, cry, jump up and down, stomp, curse, call coaches and blame in an attempt to feel better... what you think is the end of the world of an issue is only a problem to a small few people who are unhappy because - what else - playing time! This is life. At what point do you teach kids that life is not always exactly as you think it should be, sometimes not always fair AND as much as you insist that what you think is RIGHT, someone else thinks the exact opposite. Handle this like an adult and stop crying behind anonymous thoughts, rallying people to your side. If you are are 100% sure of your mistreatment, sign your name to it and stop trying to recruit people to your side of a story. If you are so sure about what you feel you shouldn't need to come on here to get people to join your crusade. AND, if it is as bad as you say it is - LEAVE. It's your choice to stay.

Is is any surprise that day 1 of travel season someone is already complaining about the same things that people complain about every single year no matter what team, age or even program. It's the same story every season. I say whining because someone comes on here and "anonymously" complains. If it means that much and is that serious, handle it like an adult. You will always have complaining parents - ALWAYS! You can't make everyone happy. So complain away behind a computer and watch absolutely nothing change except for people becoming more and more arrogant. The problem YOU have here is apparently a problem for a few (believe it or not, I'm sure there are people who probably don't agree with you and are quite content with YJ 2020) and you can complain, cry, jump up and down, stomp, curse, call coaches and blame in an attempt to feel better... what you think is the end of the world of an issue is only a problem to a small few people who are unhappy because - what else - playing time! This is life. At what point do you teach kids that life is not always exactly as you think it should be, sometimes not always fair AND as much as you insist that what you think is RIGHT, someone else thinks the exact opposite. Handle this like an adult and stop crying behind anonymous thoughts, rallying people to your side. If you are are 100% sure of your mistreatment, sign your name to it and stop trying to recruit people to your side of a story. If you are so sure about what you feel you shouldn't need to come on here to get people to join your crusade. AND, if it is as bad as you say it is - LEAVE. It's your choice to stay.

Is is any surprise that day 1 of travel season someone is already complaining about the same things that people complain about every single year no matter what team, age or even program. It's the same story every season. I say whining because someone comes on here and "anonymously" complains. If it means that much and is that serious, handle it like an adult. You will always have complaining parents - ALWAYS! You can't make everyone happy. So complain away behind a computer and watch absolutely nothing change except for people becoming more and more arrogant. The problem YOU have here is apparently a problem for a few (believe it or not, I'm sure there are people who probably don't agree with you and are quite content with YJ 2020) and you can complain, cry, jump up and down, stomp, curse, call coaches and blame in an attempt to feel better... what you think is the end of the world of an issue is only a problem to a small few people who are unhappy because - what else - playing time! This is life. At what point do you teach kids that life is not always exactly as you think it should be, sometimes not always fair AND as much as you insist that what you think is RIGHT, someone else thinks the exact opposite. Handle this like an adult and stop crying behind anonymous thoughts, rallying people to your side. If you are are 100% sure of your mistreatment, sign your name to it and stop trying to recruit people to your side of a story. If you are so sure about what you feel you shouldn't need to come on here to get people to join your crusade. AND, if it is as bad as you say it is - LEAVE. It's your choice to stay.