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Turtles aren't on the schedule so how did they lose twice?

They are, and they did, Express 2017

Leading Edge 2017 wins Adranline Cup. Beats Team 91 in final by 2. Went 5-1 on the weekend with only loss to Team 91 in regular bracket play. Beat West Coast Starz twice, Dukes 2017, Mesa Fresh and Team 91 in final.

Crab City Challenge in Bel Air MD was a weather disaster on saturday. Sunday playoff games moved to Gilman School turf. Much better venue. 2017 semis were Turtles vs VLC, Prime Time vs Crabs. Great games, great sportsmanship.

Who was in the final and who won?

Final was Turtles vs Crabs. Do not know who won.

Crabs had a tough game vs True Blue. Beat them 6-4. Game shortened because of rain.

legit crabs or holdback crabs?

there are NO legit grade/age Crab teams. Everyone knows that. Holdbacks are used throughout the organization.

I have not seen the Turtles since last year. I don't think that team lost a single game in years until this summer. They had a long list of d1 commits and were by far the best team I saw in the 2017.

Just me asking, are some Turtle kids just not playing club anymore? Have a few of them flipped to other clubs or are they doing events with their high schools instead this summer? Or are the Turtles a cautionary tale of early recruiting...the very best u13 and u15 teams we ever saw, but other teams and players just caught up to and passed? Quite honestly I couldn't even have imagined this team ever losing a game after seeing them as 8th graders. Don't ask to be rude...but the bottom line is the 2017 Crabs on their best day is a good team and not a great team. Not even close.

Same team, still exceptional. Others have caught up. They are not getting blown out, just more typical of what to expect at college games.

They are age legit, probably playing teams now with many 1 to 2 year hold backs and PG's. A two year age difference helps a lot. Rising Jrs playing what amounts to rising College freshman.

They are age legit, probably playing teams now with many 1 to 2 year hold backs and PG's. A two year age difference helps a lot. Rising Jrs playing what amounts to rising College freshman.

Thanks for the replies. Again I have not seen Turtles in a year, but that they are now not winning lopsided games and are now in a group of 2017 teams that they are trading wins and losses only means the gap closed on what was an unreal U-15 team talent and skill wise. It isn't like other clubs have consolidated power into a few super teams. The Crabs 2017s are not a great team. Team 91 2017s was never a great team like current Team 91 youth teams. Sweetlax and Edge 2017s weren't great teams either. The Turtles were far and away the best 2017 team and were the only truly great team that also never lost a game and played few competitive ones.

I think this screams early recruiting is dumb. These kids are only half way through high school and already we are seeing dramatic differentials in the progression of their development. The then earliest verbal in history to UNC in this class is a player I can't even remember a name. I'd say about half the nifty earlies in the DMV have worked out only ok to be kind, while other kids have bloomed and passed them by. Paul IV is a DC area prep school "loaded with D1 talent" using verbals as an indicator and they stink. Haven't beaten a top prep team yet and they are about where a decent Virginia public school team is, only they won't schedule publics likely for fear of losing. Oh, and they lost their two legit D1 kids to graduation, so likely better schedule different next year. In a few years the colleges who leaned on early recruiting will sound a lot like PVI coming to town. We're loaded with IL ranked former 9th graders! How's that going to look for the UNCs?

Thanks for the replies. Again I have not seen Turtles in a year, but that they are now not winning lopsided games and are now in a group of 2017 teams that they are trading wins and losses only means the gap closed on what was an unreal U-15 team talent and skill wise. It isn't like other clubs have consolidated power into a few super teams. The Crabs 2017s are not a great team. Team 91 2017s was never a great team like current Team 91 youth teams. Sweetlax and Edge 2017s weren't great teams either. The Turtles were far and away the best 2017 team and were the only truly great team that also never lost a game and played few competitive ones.

I think this screams early recruiting is dumb. These kids are only half way through high school and already we are seeing dramatic differentials in the progression of their development. The then earliest verbal in history to UNC in this class is a player I can't even remember a name. I'd say about half the nifty earlies in the DMV have worked out only ok to be kind, while other kids have bloomed and passed them by. Paul IV is a DC area prep school "loaded with D1 talent" using verbals as an indicator and they stink. Haven't beaten a top prep team yet and they are about where a decent Virginia public school team is, only they won't schedule publics likely for fear of losing. Oh, and they lost their two legit D1 kids to graduation, so likely better schedule different next year. In a few years the colleges who leaned on early recruiting will sound a lot like PVI coming to town. We're loaded with IL ranked former 9th graders! How's that going to look for the UNCs?

Please! These are Juniors now. The holdback argument is mute now. Stop making excuses and admit others have caught up. Plenty of kids in 2017 legitimate can and do compete with hold backs. A team like turtles should not use this as an excuse. Nobody said you are not still good, it's just that the field has evened out. This is good for lacrosse.

There is a reason why kids Red Shirt, because coaches know
One year makes a big difference with power and speed . I have an 18 year old
And a 16 year old, believe me there is a big difference.

The Turtles have been surpassed now by Crabs 2017, who has beaten them twice this summer.

I have no doubt half that Turtle team now plays for Chaminade and ST Anthonys or power house public HS. Once you get toa certain age club ball is done for many

91 beat the crabs and adrenaline. No holdbacks on that team either

Wrong! They are still the same team with the same key players. They are still a great team. Point is there are other teams just as good or better. As the kids get older this is how it works.

Of course that's the way it works, these other teams now have 2015's and 2016's playing as 2017's... I know, it doesn't matter right? Makes no difference... They're in HS now... Ya know because only teams from PA, MD and Mass get "better". No they don't get better they get older... Same ole story.

Turtle kids are almost 2 and a half years from playing their first college game. then the age will not make a difference, and your holdback will be faking an injury to gain another year because he sucks.

Clearly u have a 19 year old senior

Actually I have a 16 year old senior who has been playing varsity age kids since 9th. We welcomed the challenge and it helped him develope into the great player he is. No complaints, just play the game. Think the Turtles are great but you didn't really think other kids wouldn't catch up? None of our kids are that special, and having a #1 on your back just inspires others that much more to try to take you down. Be happy you are still a top team, enjoy your accomplishments, and be humble and when you do lose don't look for excuses, it cheapens the team.