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Happening in Nassau too. Never thought I would see the day towns would cheat to win PAL games. This sport is going down a very sad road. Someone has to step up or baseball is going to start seeing a lot of their players coming back. It's already starting to happen.

How did suffolk pal go today? Any good games in 4th grade?

How did Comsewogue, Sayville an Port Jeff do in 4th grade?

Bellmore-Merrick has a strong team in 4th grade. They are filled with multiple kids who play travel.

Not interested in the pathetic story, how many kids you have or if the players are "exhausted" by playing for multiple teams. It's simple. Play by the rules. Its up to the coaches to enforce the rules. My responsibility is the safety of my players. If you play my team I am asking for your roster. Now you know in advance.

Oh, you mean the South Shore Thunder? They cheat.

[quote=Anonymous]Not interested in the pathetic story, how many kids you have or if the players are "exhausted" by playing for multiple teams. It's simple. Play by the rules. Its up to the coaches to enforce the rules. My responsibility is the safety of my players. If you play my team I am asking for your roster. Now you know in advance.

South Shore Thunder/Igloo/Express.... depends on who's available. And they're decent, but not elite at all.

We're not talking about older kids. We're talking about kids in the same grade. You're not concerned about safety then. You're concerned about losing. PAL has never instructed directors to ensure that their coaches have a copy of their roster with them. Furthermore, the rosters don't have pictures anyway. If PAL thought it was a problem, this would have been addressed. I can assure you that you won't get a roster from any team. This isn't football. Teams are not required to meet at midfield and review rosters. The rule is not now, nor has it ever been, enforced. If you play my team, you won't get one. Now you know in advance. If you won't play it will be considered a forfeit and my team will go get ice cream. Your team will go home wondering why their coach wouldn't let them play lacrosse on a beautiful spring day. Maybe your team needs a new coach.

Never seen it happen , but you are absolutely required to have copy of roster with numbers. If you aren't cheating , why so concerned?

I don't cheat. Trust me, I don't need to because I can coach. I also don't whine and [lacrosse] when I lose. I've been coaching PAL for my kids on some level for 9 years and never once have I been told to carry a roster by my progam's director or PAL rep. Never once have I been asked to produce a roster by a ref or opposing team's coach or PAL rep. Go ahead and see what happens. I promise you'll be told to pound salt.

I don't cheat. Trust me, I don't need to because I can coach. I also don't whine and [lacrosse] when I lose. I've been coaching PAL for my kids on some level for 9 years and never once have I been told to carry a roster by my progam's director or PAL rep. Never once have I been asked to produce a roster by a ref or opposing team's coach or PAL rep. Go ahead and see what happens. I promise you'll be told to pound salt.

whats your beef? nobody even mentioned Igloo or Express - someone didn't make the team????

Great, looking forward to seeing it. Remember it must be filed with SCPAL and can not have players from other rosters.

Where do these extra players come from if they are in the same grade?
Let me guess... You have A team players filling in on the B or C teams. Your lacrosse director should take the time to tell you the rules or actually read the rulebook.

SC PAL does think it is a problem and has been trying to create a new rule mimicking football. But your director keeps voting it down.

What is worse his that he does not see anything wrong with it and can completely justfiy it in his mind. "Certain A players should be allowed to play on a B team" or "should be allowed to play down"...wth? "Playing makes kids better" is probably referring to his kid and their friends who he decides will get to play on all of the A, B, C and D teams. Hopefully the PAL board members can read.

What is worse his that he does not see anything wrong with it and can completely justfiy it in his mind. "Certain A players should be allowed to play on a B team" or "should be allowed to play down"...wth? "Playing makes kids better" is probably referring to his kid and their friends who he decides will get to play on all of the A, B, C and D teams. Hopefully the PAL board members can read.

So what if the number of kids in a grade is 23, 8 "A" players, 8 "B"players, and 7 "C/ new" players? Where do you put the team? PAL Rule states all teams 3rd grade and above must have 15 players to be eligible so there can only be 1 team. Do you play at the B level and have kids playing up and down in divisions or do you have all kids play at the A level and hope B-/C kids make it through the season. 2 teams would be ideal but it does not work when games are scheduled around the same times. If they are in the same grade, does an "A" player playing in the "B" division make the team a bunch of sandbaggers?

Make an honest evaluation of your TEAM, not the individual players on it, and pick the division that you think fits best. Do what is best for the kids - challenge them to help them improve without putting them in a position where they can't compete. If it turns out you were wrong, make the appropriate adjustment up or down the following year. This is not life or death stuff - just use common sense.

anybody with some info on that sachem topic?

Bringing kids up from a lower division to fill in for kids in a higher division is fine. And by the way, You would put a team having 10 "A" kids and 6 "B" kids in the A division to see how they do?? Clearly you've never played any of the teams in the A division. Unless your whole team is solid you will be crucified every game. And while I agree that it's not all about winning, it IS about keeping kids interested in the sport and keeping the numbers up so you don't have 25 kids on one team. Getting killed week in and week out sucks. From a player, coach and parent perspective.

So, again, if I'm short players, I'm grabbing them from the second team. No one will say jack. Even if a team grabs players from the first team, you can't coach your team to isolate one or two players? They can only score 4 goals each.

My guess is too much squabbling between SYAG and Sachem. Also, kids are spread out over 5 teams. Instead of making teams competitive (A, B, C, D, E) they mix them so that they are all very weak. It's unfortunate. They should be a powerhouse youth program but they're not even remotely there.

And yes, some of the coaches are absolute trash.

Correct, there are two youth lax programs in Sachem that drown out the talent pool, SSC and SYAG. My guess is that it's the only town/district that has two youth programs competing against each other.