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Why is the parent the problem? Once you have been through the process you will see that sometimes the coaches promises get twisted. Our coach increased his incoming class by 5 girls per year so the roster ballooned by 10 over the number we were told it would be. Huge difference to get time if you aren't a top 6 girl on a roster of 24 vs a roster of 34

To quote former Colorado football head coach Dan Hawkins "Go play intramurals brother"

It's Great that your kid is SS, but most kids aren't and are looking to be treated as promised by the coach. It's a big decision with a big price tag that people are making based on promises and the $ package offered.

The real lesson here, from the standpoint of a girl who wants to actually play (meaning start/get meaningful minutes) at a D1 school, is to make sure your skill level is at starting position level at the school you are going to attend. In other words, understand that the coach's job is to keep recruiting top 5 players for their roster every year, and anticipate that that is what is going to happen in successive years. If you come in as even the 3rd or 4th best recruit in a year, the chances of playing as a starter any of your years at the school are not close to a slam dunk. So you might want to go to a place where you are #1 or #2 in a class. Of course it is fine to use lax to get into a school you want to attend, even if you don't have a great chance of starting. But for those who want to play, they should really honestly assess their ability and how it projects, and choose a program accordingly.

A coach's job is to sell you, as with everything, buyer beware.

I agree and this is why you see a lot of LI talent going to weaker Lacrosse schools where the package is bigger and their route into the starting lineup is more of a sure thing.

Newsday said Stony Brook men vs Duke drew 4,900 fans but the women vs. Northwestern drew 900. Which is more surprising?

Not surprising at all. Does it surprise you? Have you noticed the local college lacrosse coverage in Newsday? The men get write-ups, the women don't, or get a small blurb.

Its not just Newsday look at Inside Lacrosse Women's Lacrosse is treated like an after thought.

Neither is surprising.

Duke lax mafia prevalent in this area. I'd bet there was a lot of blue in the stands.

The time of the women's game was a problem for girls lax players to attend. Still a good showing.

Lacrosse magazines is better

Adelphi Womens lacrosse team was undefeated last season and won Nationals they had a perfect season and the stands at AU had no one in them- its a shame - alot of talent to watch right in our backyard!

It really is surprising the lack of lacrosse coverage we get compared to what the Baltimore Sun and the Washington Post put out about HS lacrosse in their areas. Newsday is failing to hit a key demographic.

IWLCA Poll for Division I, April 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Maryland 16-0 400 20 1
2 North Carolina 13-2 379 2
3 Duke 13-2 356 3
4 Boston College 14-2 343 4
5 Virginia 11-5 312 5
6 Stony Brook 14-1 283 6
7 Syracuse 11-6 264 9
8 Penn State 12-3 252 12
9 Northwestern 10-5 240 7
10 Princeton 11-3 197 13
11 Louisville 10-6 180 14
11 Notre Dame 9-7 180 10
13 Florida 12-5 179 8
14 Penn 11-3 176 11
15 Stanford 11-2 130 15
16 Loyola 12-4 101 16
17 James Madison 12-4 78 18
18 Johns Hopkins 11-3 67 17
19 Albany 12-3 43 19
20 Ohio State 11-5 23 20

IWLCA Poll for Division II, April 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Adelphi 14-0 395 16 1
2 Lock Haven 13-0 384 4 2
3 Le Moyne 14-1 354 3
4 Lindenwood 14-1 325 4
5 Florida Southern 18-2 322 5
6 Mercyhurst 13-2 286 7
7 Stonehill 13-2 284 6
8 New Haven 12-2 265 8
9 LIU Post 12-2 246 9
10 Limestone 14-2 217 11
11 Rollins 11-4 172 10
12 Queens 13-5 158 13
13 Mount Olive 13-3 153 14
14 Seton Hill 11-4 129 17
15 West Chester 10-4 120 16
16 Regis (CO) 10-4 102 12
17 Grand Valley State 12-4 75 NR
18 Dowling 11-4 74 18
19 Bentley 8-5 54 19
20 Bloomsburg 7-6 43 15

IWLCA Poll for Division III, April 20
Rank Team Record Points First Previous
1 Trinity (CT) 13-1 399 19 1
2 Franklin & Marshall 14-1 367 3
3 Middlebury 11-2 355 2
4 Cortland 14-1 352 1 4
5 Bowdoin 12-2 318 5
6 Gettysburg 12-2 300 6
7 Hamilton 11-3 278 7
8 College of New Jersey 11-3 258 8
9 Salisbury 12-3 227 9
10 Colby 10-4 200 10
11 Washington & Lee 12-2 195 11
12 Tufts 10-4 185 12
13 Catholic (DC) 11-3 168 13
14 Amherst 9-5 148 14
15 [lacrosse] 12-4 121 15
16 Messiah 10-4 97 16
17 Fredonia 12-2 60 20
18 Williams 7-6 49 17
19 Geneseo 10-2 48 18
20 Springfield 13-2 28 19

That's the IWLCA poll, and I've seen the LaxPower rankings and the NCAA rankings. I'm sure there are more.

Which ranking does everyone think are the "best" and why?

Why do you think that everyone is getting .2 % athletic $$?

The top players will get much more than .2%.

More than half of that team are not getting any athletic $

But not everyone is a top player. So more people are getting the small change and not "much more." Besides, math. Lacrosse is, in most cases, not a fully funded program. Search the forum. This has been discussed to death.

I think they meant 0.2 of a scholarship, or 20%. That would roughly match the 12K off 57K tuition.

I don't think that many of us on these forums seem to understand or have yet to discover the term "fully funded program" or "equivalent scholarships".
Denial will be the first reaction when you do.

Stony Brook 12, Hofstra -8

University of New Haven upset Adelphi 10-5. Big win for UNH!

Good game for the first half, but once SBU increased the lead to 3 goals at tye beginning of the seconf half they were in the stall with 24 minutes left in the game! That's why you can't sell womens lacrosse, first half was great end to end action, second half was a sleeper

I agree with you! Some type of shot clock would be great!! Make it more exciting.

Selfish play that is condoned at the HS and younger ages plus the stall that is implemented at the higher levels is why womans lacrosse will never ever see anyone in the stadiums besides the players families

All SUNY schools are behind in terms of endowment due to the nature of how there were run in the past. That is changing. But it has a long way to go. You will not grow endowment, alumni presence and prestige with a 45% 4-Year graduation rate. You have to ask why 55% leave the school.

there are more schools than you think that have about 40% or more transfer out rate

The graduation rate is in the top 87% of all 4 year public schools. The 6 yr graduation rate is almost 70% of the students. So students not necessarily leaving, just taking longer to graduate. 2013 freshmen retention was about 90%.

All posted college graduation rates are based on 150% of the time allotted for the degree. So a normal 4-year degree is given 6 years to say they graduated "On time".

Syosset Boys vs. Massapequa had over 2000 fans today. More than when SB played Northwestern which are both top 10 national programs. Girls need a shot clock. The stalls have killed the game and nobody watches except the players parents

There was a statement that Stony Brook was one of the best public universities in the world. At a 45% four year graduation rate I think that is a bit overstated.

Stony Brook 45%
Penn St 65%
University of Delaware 68%
SUNY Binghamton 69%
Villanova 86%
Middlebury 87%

Who said one of the best in the world? Of course you are now using some private schools as comparisons so if that fictitious statement is what you are trying to refute I would stay with public schools.Graduation rate is a poor statistic to base a schools academic standards on as schools like Stony Brook have a lot of kids who transfer out and in . The reasons vary greatly and a lot of its students are commuters.

It was mentioned in a prior post it was one of the greatest schools in the world.

Since you asked, post # 10546
SBU is a great deal. The school is one of the top public universities in the world. The in-state tuition is nothing compared to other private or out-of-state schools. The campus is beautiful. The only problem is all the building they are doing. Of course with such a building boom I would not be concerned about SBU closing its doors anytime soon. I do agree the endowment is small, but the school is still relatively young. The Endowment continues to grow each year. As for the alumni, i can't really comment. But that is true of most schools. As SBU grows and the athletic department gets better, my guess is that an alumni presence will not be an issue. Just like any other school that does well. The academics are there. If they get improved sports, to go along with good fine arts, campus life and post graduate activities will only get better.

As an SBU alumni do have to agree school offers some top notch academic opportunities for a great price. Campus however is not appealing especially when you walk down into the pits of the academic dorms and around Roth pond. Glad they are continuing to build and improve. Don't think they will ever get the alumni backing they are looking for, they have been trying for decades and it is a snails pace.

SBU slipped from 89 to 126 in the Center for World University rankings. It is 88th in Nation according to US News. So pretty good. Especially as those rankings include private schools. Great deal at the in state tuition price.

Great. Still has an ugly campus, mostly average D1 sports, very weak school spirit and alumni presence thus contributing to it's relatively small endowment. Just stating the facts as I said from the beginning of this argument.
The on campus resident experience at this school is horrible.

You must not have been to many schools. The campus is beautiful. Is Duke better, yes. But is SJU, Georgetown, Villanova, or Hofstra, to name a few better, No. Where on Long Island is better, with such a large school? And, last I checked, academics mattered for a college. So really we are back to SBU being a great deal. Young school getting bigger and better.

My original comment was in response to "top public universities in the world". It is not. It is a good school with a huge upside. Endowment needs to improved, acceptance rate more selective and graduation rate needs to improve. As previously noted 45% is a very low graduation rate. The SUNY system as a whole has been behind the times but is making strides. Is it California's state system? Not yet.

Is it a great deal? Especially if you want to stay home? Absolutely. Is it a better school than Villanova or Georgetown? No. If you can pay the tuition Villanova and Georgetown is a better school. But tuition is a factor. Also admission is a factor. Stony Brook is an easier admission.

As to alumni involvement let me make a comparison to Middlebury, a small, private liberal arts school. $972 million. I know it's a completely different school but with a much smaller class size it has a much more involved alumni..

I'm not knocking Stony Brook. It just has a way to go before mentioning any world stays.