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I place the blame on this squarely on the backs of the Athletic Directors on Long Island. As far as lacrosse goes, the only power conference that exists is for girls in Nassau County.

This year teams who had very good success playing on a lower division were moved up into the A division. Personally I'd much rather see a team go .500 in the top division then going undefeated in a lower division and having 12 or 14 blowout wins. Well that is exactly what is going on in Suffolk (boys and girls) and in Nassau boys. Besides out of conference games - the competition in girls in Suffolk is terrible. As an example, Mt. Sinai - a very good team - is 4-0 right now and have had only one really close game a 5-3 win over ESM. MS has 54 goals for and only 18 against. Middle Country is 4-0 and have outscore opponents 76-28. ESM is 4-1 and have outscored 62-27. Huntington is 3-0 and have outscored opponents 42-18.

On the other hand look at some of the lower ranked schools and see how mismatched they are: Walt Whitman, Brentwood, Deer Park, etc.

It's not that hard to figure this out. There are 47 schools in Suffolk. Create 5 divisions:
A - 9 teams
B - 9 Teams
C- 9 Teams
D- 10 Teams
E - 10 Teams

At the end of the year, the bottom 2 teams in A move to B the next year and the top two teams in B move to A. Same thing happens down the line. When playoffs come - everyone goes back to their school sizes and you have power rankings based on performance.

Simple plan - east to enact and easy to track.

Result: closer games, better games and fewer blowouts. Coaches will need to be better and work harder to develop the whole team rather than just 1-2 players.

I'm sorry but you don;t get it. This is not professional sports or even college sports. It's high school girls lacrosse. I have been coaching organized sports at all levels for a long time. This has nothing to do with mommies and daddies. This is all about what sports should be about. Its about teamwork, commitment and hard work. Its about sportsmanship, honoring the game, honoring your opponent.

I've also coached my own kids and I would never let my kids do this - never. In fact I would not let any of my players do this. There is no reason to pour it on and keep scoring when the opponent is clearly mismatched. This is th time to work on other players on the team and empower them to put all of their time and hard work that they have contributed into a game situation.

I'm sorry but to allow your own daughter (or even your own player) rack up 12 goals is gross. 12 of 17 goals - is ridiculous. If you are supposed to be such a great coach - develop more players rather than just your own daughter.

So the Manhasset kid padded stats with her 6 goals yesterday? Great players score story is beaten to death

To clarify, I don't think anyone has a prob with someone scoring a lot in a close game when goals are needed to win. Maybe it's selfish, maybe it's necessary to win. But when a game is a blowout and the goals are not needed how can you color that as anything other a shameless attempt to inflate your numbers? Why not rotate the bench in and let them get some experience?

First off I am sure Gait would have gladly taken either sister , that being said they are the wrong kids to use as an example of sportsmanship, they are also stat padders just were apparently held back in this one.

Not so sure about that. The lynch mob may pile on but she scored 12 of 17 goals. So what.
Maybe we should also talk about the kids that don't pass and hog the ball and cause their teams to lose. That seams worse doesn't it. There are plenty of them. For example John Glenn. Those parents have voiced their frustration as well.
Just a thought.

I place the blame on this squarely on the backs of the Athletic Directors on Long Island. As far as lacrosse goes, the only power conference that exists is for girls in Nassau County.

This year teams who had very good success playing on a lower division were moved up into the A division. Personally I'd much rather see a team go .500 in the top division then going undefeated in a lower division and having 12 or 14 blowout wins. Well that is exactly what is going on in Suffolk (boys and girls) and in Nassau boys. Besides out of conference games - the competition in girls in Suffolk is terrible. As an example, Mt. Sinai - a very good team - is 4-0 right now and have had only one really close game a 5-3 win over ESM. MS has 54 goals for and only 18 against. Middle Country is 4-0 and have outscore opponents 76-28. ESM is 4-1 and have outscored 62-27. Huntington is 3-0 and have outscored opponents 42-18.

On the other hand look at some of the lower ranked schools and see how mismatched they are: Walt Whitman, Brentwood, Deer Park, etc.

It's not that hard to figure this out. There are 47 schools in Suffolk. Create 5 divisions:
A - 9 teams
B - 9 Teams
C- 9 Teams
D- 10 Teams
E - 10 Teams

At the end of the year, the bottom 2 teams in A move to B the next year and the top two teams in B move to A. Same thing happens down the line. When playoffs come - everyone goes back to their school sizes and you have power rankings based on performance.

Simple plan - east to enact and easy to track.

Result: closer games, better games and fewer blowouts. Coaches will need to be better and work harder to develop the whole team rather than just 1-2 players.

Can someone please tell me how the Fatso at Connetquot continues to coach? He knows nothing about lacrosse and is destroying our program!

Looking at the stat leaders - Suffolk has a crazy amount of points up top in a lot of blow out games but at least some have more assists that goals. In Nassau all the stat leaders are from weak schools that won't do anything come playoff time.

I find it hard to believe that some of the top 10 stat leaders in both counties have less than 10% of their points from assists, that's were some decent coaching and parenting should kick in with a simple when the team is up by a ton, PASS THE BALL!

You are joking you call him a YJ coach. He is not respected by anyone...players included!

you people do realize that it is much harder to record an assist in girls lacrosse than score a goal. lacrosse is not hockey. probably less than 10% of all goals in girls lacrosse are scored off true assists. all those assist stats in newsday are greatly exaggerated anyway. This does not excuse a player from running up their goal total in blowouts, however on some teams a few girls need to score to even keep the game close. This is reality and please don't compare teams like Manhasset to lesser opponents when talking about who scores or how many score. Fact is that the top teams have probably 5-10 players that would be the star on 80% of the HS teams out there and would score all of that teams goals. reality

Since the assist is much harder to achieve, kudos to the girls with a balanced goal to assist ratio. Better team players with great field vision. Give me a 15-15 girl over a 27-3 girl any day of the week. The 27 goal person would be a black hole!

I agree but my point is , that 15-15 girl would probably be a 25-5 on a lesser team. Not making her a ball hog but rather her teams only option in games against better competition. I do not however love or condone a player forcing the ball over and over again

I agree but my point is , that 15-15 girl would probably be a 25-5 on a lesser team. Not making her a ball hog but rather her teams only option in games against better competition. I do not however love or condone a player forcing the ball over and over again

How can you say that he is a YJ coach he has to know what he is doing

there actually is someone with a clue on here!!!!!

If the 15-15 girl has to go to the cage in some games, she gets a pass by me because her track record is being a team player. The 27-3 will always be about stat padding selfish play and is anything but a team player. When you are big PASS THE BALL!

How's the Westhsmpton HS team doing ? I heard they have two of the best players in the country.

I am sure the 15-15 sleeps easier at night knowing you will give her a pass when she goes to the cage.

Couple of things from Suffolk D2 today.

Mount Sinai won a one goal game vs 'that horrible, or was it terrible' SWR team

Haup beat EI 8-4 and held the EI girl to one goal

Couple of things from Suffolk D2 today.

Mount Sinai won a one goal game vs 'that horrible, or was it terrible' SWR team

Haup beat EI 8-4 and held the two touchdown (with no extra points) girl to one goal

He doesn't know the game! And him being obese is a reason his teams are lazy in YJ and HS. He has ZERO track record of success! Why are you defending this man. He's robbing the YJ parents and destroying OUR HS program!

HOW DID THEY STOP HER?

How's the Westhsmpton HS team doing ? I heard they have two of the best players in the country.

Two of the best kids in the countRY? No

However, they do have one of the best 2020 kids in the counTY. This kid is actually producing.

As far as how the team is doing?? They haven't had any games against the top teams yet. Time will tell.