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You speak the truth! It's those same parents that will say that there son got a full ride to a D1 school when in reality they are paying full freight for there kid to go there so it's a no risk option for the coach to put him on the roster.

Not the same. Being on a roster is something that occurs for real, paying or not. Cocktail party talk about kid being recruited is before that occurs. I may add that you hear that the coach says at end of prospect day " you did well" . What else would he/she say? "you looked horrendous, thanks for the $150-200"?

It is like anything else...when you are being recruited, you know it. We always treated prospect days as an opportunity to do so well that the coach then started recruiting you...

Prospect days can be a great resource but they are, by far, the easiest money-maker for college coaches. In my experience, if a coach has a real interest in a player, they will usually reach out to your club or high school coaches and ask if you can attend one of their prospect weekends. They typically have 10 or 15 players that they saw in the summer and wanted to get another look. Otherwise, unless you're an astounding player, it will be difficult to get noticed. Do not be lured in by the "Dear X, Congratulations on being selected to attend our Prospect Day" You are most likely 1 out of 300 in a group email. However, if you think your son had a decent showing, have your club coach call the college coach to get their evaluation and ask if they should follow up. If they tell him, they like you but want to see you play some more .... move on.

True . "send us your h.s. schedule we will try to get to game"
uh uh....not recruiting ...

So true know a player who got invite to prospect day letter read "we saw you play at xyz. He was nt even at that tourney

Ok, so scores? Anyone.....

GC lost to Bronxville

I left at 4-1, GC offensively challenged this year. Solid D, as usual. Program in a downswing currently. We'll see for how long.
Other Nassau teams better at this moment

they are vested in future. last year they basically tanked to bring along the freshmen "recruits" . see playoff loss personnel.

Like Who?? In "B" is going to beat GC

This year Lynbrook, Hewlett, Manhasset are better

how about Carey? they are very good this year.

one of those "recruits" got recruited away to St. Ants

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or transferred because he was not one of the chosen?

Yup
Overheard a conversation end of last summer between two dudes at a pizzeria and they were discussing the windfall of cash that the local university's prospect camp was generating for the HC of the schools Lax program. Curious as to who they were. I googled the schools Lax coaching staff and confirmed 1 was assistant to HC and other was his college buddy. Assistant was amazed that haul was in excess of 40k for the 1 or 2 day camp, less expenses!

4-5 GC kids on Chaminade freshman team.

There is a trend here.

Its about time this stuff is being discussed on this site.
between educating the naïve parents who fool themselves (and look foolish to those in the know) about what they desperately want to call being recruited, and in addition putting a spotlight on the Prospect Camp invite business. Its not a scam ..its just what it is... a well marketed business with an audience.

A fine line between good marketing and a scam.
One needs to proceed with eyes wide-open.

This is very true, but the process isn't without merit for would-be recruits.

Only attend prospect days at schools of interest. It's an opportunity to get in front of the coaches at your target schools and it also lets them know you're interested. Perform well, get noticed and follow up with the coaches after the event. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

If anything, prospect days allow players to gain some control of the recruiting process, visit the campus, get to the know the coaches and learn a little about their system for the day. As for the coaches, they get to evaluate players on their turf and on their terms and divert some of revenue away from the tournaments and showcases.

trend???? WISE up!!!!!
Every year G.C parents have sent their sons to Chaminade . Average is 5 to 18 kids a year . Just as Manhasset parents have done for years. And all will tell you it was not just for sports.
2-3 GC kids on Chaminade J V lacrosse team
2-4 GC kids on Chaminade Varisty lacrosse team that are juniors
3-5 GC KIDS on Chaminade Varisty lacrosse team that are seniors

And Garden City high school has always had great lacrosse program . And will continue to have strong lacrosse program.

actually 6 on JV this year

Ivy commit.... had already been "chosen"

strong just not dominate.this year and last year

Carey? Isn't that a football school?

It is so disappointing to see this year's league alignments in suffolk county varsity boys lacrosse. By splitting the A 's into 2 leagues it has watered down the play so much. I just left a game where the half time score was 19-2. This is not unusual for so many of the games this year. It is a disservice to the team winning and even more so for the losing team. No one gains from this experience. Last year each and every game was a challenge and required thoughtful play by the athletes and creative coaching by the staff. Not so much this year.

One of the issues is that GC the youth organization and parents(politics) and the HS coaches(politics) buy into the "committed" idea at 3rd & 4th grade. How many kids develop after age 9? Right! But somehow the GC system has already culled the herd and determined who'll be the 24 next great players 7 years later. They do not develop the majority of "un-chosen" players early on in the process, thus loosing many of the kids. Then when it comes to going to HS they will loose 4-6 of the "committed" players to other schools.

The talent pool is in GC deep but they only focus on the few way too early.

You are correct about Suffolk A this year. Seems as if there are about 5 competitive teams in each league. 3 games you don't know what you'll get and 3 wins/losses by 5 or so goals and about 5 games which will be dreaded blow outs.

PAL program started in Fr Sq a decade or so ago.
Starting to bear fruit now.

Totally disagree. There are more than 300+ boys playing in the GC youth program between grades 3-6, 78 alone in the 6th grade. So how are we not developing the un-chosen players so early on? Please explain.

my 2018 has gone to 5 prospect camps and his HS coach got calls within 24 hours from 3 of the 5 schools, We then set up visits and went back to meet with the coaches and tour the schools. He has not gone to the prospect days to any of the schools he has no interest in, it is all a matter of being realistic about your kids ability and picking the right schools, I think it is way way better then the camps and fall tournaments at least for my son. As far as them being money grabs I don't see that at all. 80 to 100 kids at $150 ea. is $1200 to $1500 gross - they have some expenses (Refs, pinnies, trainers and I am not sure if they are allowed to give money to the kids on the team that help out) so maybe at the end of the day the coaching staff nets $10,000 and in my opinion this is the best money you can spend on your sons recruiting just pick the right ones and don't go to everything.

within 24 hours ? wow...must be some special talent. anyone else have this experience?

Just stating the facts as I heard them from the horses mouth.

prospect camps are better than tournaments if you are going to see a school your kid wants to attend. If you do get a call from the coach it is great. If you go to camps because of an invite you are wasting your time and money. Most coaches that want to see you at their camp will have already been communicating with you before his camp.

I'll answer by asking some questions...

How many kids get to play in 7th grade? Big drop off, yes?

Does that 6th grade A team play more games/ scrimmages, practice more (indoor & outdoor), and play better tournaments than the other 6th grade teams?

Do you just disagree about the kids developing or do you also disagree about the politics?

7th grade school team, 35-40 maybe, eliminated the combo team to allow another 35 to continue playing
5th and 6th grade A teams get far more attention than the B team or lower. Oddly enough, if enough kids play B instead of A, the directors purposefully neglect the B
Politics are rampant.

That may have been the case in the past, but that is definitely not the case with the 4th and 5th grade teams now and their directors.

Helped with that point, thanks.

If the GC powers concentrated on developing MOST or a majority of the kids at young ages (not just the select 20-24) It would likely help the overall strength of the HS program too.

There are many talented kids that don't get the attention in the early years. Some kids will develop on their own and crack the roster, but I think it would be far better (and advantageous) to try to equally manage 2 or 3 quality "A" teams in a deeply talented area such as GC and help kids keep playing longer.

It really would be advantageous because after 8th grade GC will loose 20% of the "A" kids won't go to GCHS anyway.

Parents and coaches don't want this because they want their kids to be the "elite" 10 year old... which in the end can help with a roster spot in HS. If the kid is part of the remaining 18 - 19 kids from the select team it is almost a lay up. That is why politics come into play.

Agreed, way too many blowouts already. The top teams should not have to wait till playoffs to see each other. This is bad for everyone!