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I posted the following in July of 2014 and I will follow up after each season. This is based on the 2013 YJ Class. I can't help you with your money question but this will help regarding the playing question. Hope it helps.

*****From July 2014 Post*****

I'm picking this thread to list the following because it is the 2014 Spring girls and there has been some discussion about age, playing time, etc.

The following is a breakdown of the Class of 2013 YJ commits and their playing time in their first year of playing college lacrosse. The list was 66 girls (from the website) of all YJ teams across all college divisions. (Disclaimer--I was a YJ parent and my daughter is not represented by this group. I read the YJ thread and things seemed nicer back in the day).

I broke it down as follows: (Strictly by games played)

1) "Impact" player played most games
2) "Played" is about 50% of games with statistical contribution
3) "Not Significant" played in a handful of games with little statistical contribution
4) "Did Not Play"--self explanatory but injury or transfer a possibility

45% of the 2013 commits were "Impact" players
11% of the 2013 commits "Played"
36% of the 2013 commits were "Not Significant"
8% "Did Not Play"

Just food for thought. If I can remember I'll try to follow this class to 2017.

Did you find any girls that were not on the lax roster of the school they committed to?

I know of at least one who committed to play another sport yet is still listed on the YJ commit list.

I would imagine the bottom 50% are burnt out and the lack of playing time drives them to start giving up lacrosse for a social life, internships and work. The girls that commit to these big programs are not only owned by the sport and their coaches but they are actually told by many coaches what majors they need to take to be a part of the team. Need to keep it fun and not touching the ball isn't fun for anyone. That's why so many girls are quitting in High School.

the reeal question is are they still there in 2016 & 2017?

The D1 four year rate for LI student athletes over the past 15 years is about 45%--so you do have a 55% burn rate. That is not a YJ number. I started with 2013 YJ to try and track a trend; from casual observation YJ burnout rate is considerably lower but I wanted to track a couple of classes to see if my inclination holds up.

You can add studying abroad as another reason for girls to give up the sport. When I help match a student to a school and ask "What else do you want out of college" studying abroad, internships, other sports and academics are big factors. That's where a lot of D3 schools come into play. Scholarship money for sports is not available but there is a lot of needs based money out there.

I think the 50% "burn rate" is probably the norm for most college sports - not just women's lacrosse. I played a D1 sport in college and about half of my freshman class didn't do much by graduation. College has a lot to offer other than sports.

Is it me or is youth girls lacrosse just the most frustrating game to watch sometimes. Girls don't pass, are very selfish with the ball, and have limited ability to play in a team oriented style. It seems to be the only sport where selfishness gets rewarded with playing time and goal scoring. Can't imagine ever seeing an open player in a basketball game being ignored so that a point guard could dribble past them to score for themselves. But in youth girls lax, it is the norm.

Good high school teams and college teams are great to watch. But at this young age, it is infuriating. Am I alone?

Has anybody heard anything about U-15 Nationals? What teams are going and are they taking any 2019 players?

If recent history says anything 2019 blue will go to a qualifying tournament to get a bid into the tournament along with the two top 2018 teams. (just like last year)

You are not alone. However, I place blame on the coaches who allow this. If a girl does this more than once you sit her and explain that it is a team game. If she does it again, you sit her for a half, etc., etc. She will get the gist very quickly.

However, one of the problems in girls youth lacrosse are the rules. As an example, there is the 2 pass rule at the younger ages. Here is what happens in 95% plus of the youth games - as soon as two passes are made - usually two of the best girls on a give and go - every coach and every parent screams the same thing - "go to goal!" Every defensive coach screams the same thing - "swarm, swarm!"

Teach the girls early on how to play team defense and team offense. Sometimes they may make no passes and they may go to goal. Other times it may be 5 or 6 passes. You can't teach girls to play man to man defense and just shut off so to deny 2 passes without playing real team defense.

Let the girls play the right way from the beginning. If a girl goes to goal every time - then shut her off with faceguard just like they do in college and HS.

So your saying Mitchell's team has more talented players than Carro's team?

very considerate of CR to let all concerned (2018s and 2019s) know what is going on… tying them up from other camps.

Are there tryouts for the U15 team? If so, when are they? Anyone know?

YJ sends teams, not really a try out deal. TG does the tryouts, which creates enormous issues.

Not dense "tough guy" 2019 top blue team was told by coach that they r not going as a team only a "select few" will be picked...know it all

Since you "know it all" why would you have to ask any questions?

My point was (since you need it spelled out) that the program has 3 automatic entries in the U15 Tourney and that if a 4th team was going to try and earn a spot at a qualifier, it would stand to reason, that team would be the 2nd 2019 team. You inferred something about more talented players being on the second 2019 team, so maybe you have a complex or a chip on your shoulder or both.

Why would it be the 2019 2nd team? Why not the 2018 3rd team?

Good to see there is lots of love being shown in YJ land

Wake up, the U15 tournament is a joke. Most of the top teams not even going. Hav e fun competing against yourselves.

Wake up, the U15 tournament is a joke. Most of the top teams not even going. Hav e fun competing against yourselves.

Okay then which tournament has all the best teams going. US lacrosse does a nice job trying to hold a competitive tournament with pool play that matters into a seeded tournament . Some of the so called better clubs do not go using varying pathetic reasons when everyone knows that the age based tournament levels the playing field and they do not want to be embarrassed.

Okay then which tournament has all the best teams going. US lacrosse does a nice job trying to hold a competitive tournament with pool play that matters into a seeded tournament . Some of the so called better clubs do not go using varying pathetic reasons when everyone knows that the age based tournament levels the playing field and they do not want to be embarrassed.

The " better clubs" don't go because it's not a recruiting event and has no college coaches attending, thais the whole reason for playing club to begin with. The only clubs that care are the ones from areas where lacrosse is just emerging, and Long Island where parents care about bragging rights. my daughter competed in it a few years ago, it's a cute little tourney with no real value as far as recruiting, or as far as determining a real national champ. without the major Mid-Atlantic clubs attending it's meaningless.

The " better clubs" don't go because it's not a recruiting event and has no college coaches attending, thais the whole reason for playing club to begin with. The only clubs that care are the ones from areas where lacrosse is just emerging, and Long Island where parents care about bragging rights. my daughter competed in it a few years ago, it's a cute little tourney with no real value as far as recruiting, or as far as determining a real national champ. without the major Mid-Atlantic clubs attending it's meaningless.

Yet Us YJ's go every year at a huge expense

Completely disagree , first if all the best clubs went there would be more college coaches. If being recruited is the only reason your kid plays club lacrosse that is a sad statement. My kid plays because she likes playing, because she likes hanging out with her friends on the team, to learn and play in competitive games, to have fun and on and on and if it helps her get into a school the n even better. Keep using the same old excuses but I guess your kid only plays in recruiting tournaments then and not school ball or local tournaments or a winter league . We here on Long Island get it may be difficult for you MId Atlantic studs to compete when you have to play age appropriate.