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Question, when you say merit, lets take UNC and Duke. To get in to either you need to be in the top of your class( as out of state at UNC) with a very high SAT. Kid in my school just who is ranked 7th with a combined SAT 1450 got denied UNC wait listed Duke. To get a merit based money at either of those schools you would need to be something like 1 in your class and 1550 sat or are the standards lower for athletes?

Question, when you say merit, lets take UNC and Duke. To get in to either you need to be in the top of your class( as out of state at UNC) with a very high SAT. Kid in my school just who is ranked 7th with a combined SAT 1450 got denied UNC wait listed Duke. To get a merit based money at either of those schools you would need to be something like 1 in your class and 1550 sat or are the standards lower for athletes?

Most from LI wont get a sniff of need aid money.

They will qualify for athletic and academic which can be bundled. Example $44,000 Get .25 for athletics which is $11,000 and then a $15,000 for a 1200 SAT and a 95 GPA Nets at $18,000 which is just slightly cheaper than going to Stony Brook or Suny Bing.

The ones who lose are the pure athletic kids that barely hit the academic admission minimums and then just get the .25 with no athletic money.

What no one ever talks about is that they have spent $30,000 or more on club lacrosse to get a $15,000 athletic scholarship

Best Post Ever on BOTC!!!!
Let the kids be kids!
Early recruiting is really over done!
Kids STILL needs SAT Grades to get in! If they don't get it,those late bloomers with the SAT scores will walk right into their spots..a verbal means nothing until signing day,scores and transcripts are accepted thru admissions.
Get off twitter,cause its ruining some kids
For all the qualified Juniors,who are great student/athletes,your time is fast approaching to committ, the good ole fashioned way....
Good Luck to all!

You have to be realistic from the start..If you committ to a school that is academically over your son or daughters academic ability,you are asking for trouble.I dont know what kind of enjoyment will come from watching your child have an awful academic experience,eventually it will take them off the field and bring them nothing but misery,all because the wanted to see their name on twitter.

This was an interesting thread: "If you have been through the process of college recruiting please share your insight." But so far it seems people are just hypothesizing. What would be interesting is if people shared who they were recruited by, when the recruiting started, when committed and how much / what kind of money was received. Actual info, not just guesses or "I heard."

Our son was offered by two ACC schools and decided to wait on it. Both schools said they were offering an athletic scholarship. Both gave us a % range that was not specific and represented it would not get hardened up until our son was a rising senior. It would be at that point the coaches know what their specific $$$ are after all the juggling, transfers in or out, kids dropping out of the program for any reason, etc. The guided ranges we got from both schools were fairly paltry, 15%-20%, and in one instance we are in-state so the school would not break the bank for us to have our son attend. We decided to wait as a family and our son is happy enough waiting for the right thing. Passing on or jumping on those figures isn't a game changer for us. All our personal experience as a given, there certainly could be kids who were offered much more material % than our son, and I can see how that may be compelling to jump on if it is both a great academic fit with a top lacrosse program. The way we left it with the two ACC schools was they indeed went on to fill up a class of commits, but there was a mutual "let's revisit this later if a good fit" good terms to come back later. We know as a family that going back for a spot later would likely mean low or no money, and that is fine.

my daughter went through the process just 3 years ago. it was an eye opening experience. first she was not a top d1 recruit but a mid level one. she was asked by a mid level d1 college to come visit and discuss the possibility of playing at their school. the coach proceeded to tell us that most freshman get very little athletic money and most of their aid comes from academics ( we had this conversation before with other schools). she then proceeded to tell us about the amount of time that was to be spent playing/practicing. it was almost 20 hours per week and that did not include travel time for away games. i then asked what was the 4 year graduation rate of the team and it was only 40%. she told me most kids go an extra year. so the school was $60,000 per year all included. so what ever money they gave me i would be paying back to them later on. needless to say my daughter decided that she wanted to go to a d3 school with a team graduation rate of 90% in 4 years and got plenty of academic money and still plays lacrosse. the best of all worlds. ask yourself how may hours your daughter will commit to playing and can she handle a real class work load and get good grades? also a question everyone should find out is what is the TEAM graduation rate in 4 years and what percentage of kids stop playing or transfer to another school in the first 2 years due to lack of playing time or burn out of being over worked. it take a very special kid to have a balanced school/social/athletic life at most d1 schools. and i don't think a kid in 8th or 9th grade really knows how much work is ahead of them at a d1 level program when the commit. parents please be fair to your kids let them enjoy the game and have the same college experience you did. help them make the right choice and not just based on the fact that it is a d1 lacrosse program.

Look at a lot of D1 rosters, much smaller % of seniors and juniors compared to fresh/sophs. Should be a wake up call.

Anyone have any good answer to this?

if you're a junior/senior and you're not getting PT and fresh and sophs are at your position it becomes apparent that you will likely never see the field. Less than 20 players get significant time in mean's games. If you're in the 30-55 range it's all practice no play no fun. So the choices are to suck it up and ride pine, transfer to somewhere you can play or just be a regular student.. and have more time to study and/or party.

Lacrosse players at my school would either get clued in they were in the plans, or they'd pledge a fraternity fall soph year. Going Greek got the UVa coaches ruffled so pledging to a house was pretty much a white flag on continuing lacrosse past second year. I'd guesstimate about 1/3rd of the lacrosse players did this. The ones who didn't stayed with it and were usually the ones playing. I noticed the lacrosse team was the one with by far the most attrition of the sports where I knew athletes.

There are 40 so you do the math and tell me how many are scholarship players and then how many are full rides lol
That must be why they have 50-60 kids on the roster

Some updated facts-
Men have 65 D1 Teams with 2,936 players and an average team size of 45 with 12.6 scholarship spots available (if program is fully funded)of those receiving money, the average athletic scholarship award is $14,605 (many get nothing).

Women have 103 D1 Teams with 3,020 players and an average team size of 29 with 12 scholarship spots available (if program is fully funded)of those receiving money, the average athletic scholarship award is $15,748 (many get nothing)

About 12% of all high school varsity athletes will play in a D1, D2 or D3 college program

If your child wants to play, there is always a program for them if you don't get hung up on the scholarship.

My daughter has 4 of her friends playing in college and they didn't play club!!! From PAL straight to high school, that's it! (1 in D2, 3 in D3)

I agree with everything you said. But for girls it's much different than for guys. I personally know 3 girls on D1 lax team that never once got on the field for there HS varsity programs and they werent the best programs these girls just weren't that good. They got onto college teams through the YJ even though they weren't very good for them either. Point is you don't have to be very good as a female player to play D1, to many programs not enough talent. Complete opposite as the mens side.

Whoever said check out the rosters was right, huge falloff of juniors and seniors. Looks like the kids finally start to grow up and without mommy and daddy looking over their shoulders and pushing like they did in HS, the kids are choosing to do other things with their time.

My daughters schools club team practices 3x per week in the evenings and travels every weekend for games and tournaments. Club LAx lumps D1-D3 team together in divisions and rankings so if you look at the pre season national club rankings you will see D3 Cortland in the top 10 with UCLA, Florida, Boston College, Loyola and Duke. D2's and D3's get to travel and play games at big D1 schools which is a cool experience for the 2's and 3's.

They are still playing at a very high level, still traveling, still competing for a division, region and national title, still making friends and socializing all without a D1 program owning them 24-7 and they are HAPPY!

And just like the top D3 and D2 schools would beat many lower D1 programs, many of these club teams would beat plenty lower varsity teams. These club teams are LOADED with kids who could have played varsity (maybe not at the school they are attending, but a varsity program somewhere)but chose not to.