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My son does not play for them but a friend of mines son does and they are very happy. If you are looking for a year round team this is not for you. That is why I choose to sign my son up for a different league. 4 tournaments 1 away. I do know they both won and lost against Igloo. Beat express but I don't believe they played 91.

Not elite...sure they are unorganized but they beat every team you mentioned

Which team are you speaking of ? If you are speaking about Turf Island they have not beat Igloo ....Igloos only losses to LI teams this year in Tournaments were to 91 2021 "orange" in pool play at laxfest then Igloo beat them in Championship after beating Turf island in Semi-finals and 91 2020 Crush in Tri-state . They also lost in championship in Annapolis, MD. to a u-11 Carolina Cannons team and lost to a u-11 LOONEYS team . Those were Team Igloos loses this tournament season

Says the igloo coaching staff.......
Pretty sad your on here bragging about yourselves

Really what teams have Turf Island beat ?

I am at Hershey and saw the best Turf Island 2021 team play a few times. It looks like 2021 Turf Island can score but the defense looks very weak! That IS SHOCKING given who the coaches are. If they want to compete with Igloo, Team 91, Express or even the Wildkatz they better add some big hard hitting guys at defense. You can see there are "favorites" so they won't make a change. They appear to be a "B" team.

I know you aren't talking about Deto's team. The defense let up a few goals in the first game because they were on fast breaks since they were up so big. Then only gave up four goals in the next three games. In the spring they beat igloo and express but didn't play 91. Obviously you weren't even at the tournament, you're just someone we know who wants to stir the pot. Get a life. You're pathetic.

I was there and I am talking about Deto's team. If you were honest with yourself and everyone else you would have disclosed that what you call a "few" goals was at least 7 goals. I left when the other team was at 7. They probably got more than that. This team only scored 6 goals against the Outlaws. An elite team should be able to stop fast breaks from a team that could not score more than 6 goals against a "B" team. The other teams you played were not very good offensive teams. You know I am right and that is why you used the word "few" to cover up the truth and called me names. I am not starting trouble. I see people are asking about your team and I told them what I saw and my opinion. No need to react the way you did it looks bad.

I was there and I am talking about Deto's team. If you were honest with yourself and everyone else you would have disclosed that what you call a "few" goals was at least 7 goals. I left when the other team was at 7. They probably got more than that. This team only scored 6 goals against the Outlaws. An elite team should be able to stop fast breaks from a team that could not score more than 6 goals against a "B" team. The other teams you played were not very good offensive teams. You know I am right and that is why you used the word "few" to cover up the truth and called me names. I am not starting trouble. I see people are asking about your team and I told them what I saw and my opinion. No need to react the way you did it looks bad.

Based on our review of the Chocolatetown Shootout schedules this evening, action was taken to realign the U/9 team in question into the proper age group. Based on additional information sent to us this evening, we believe that this mistake in bracketing was due in part to somewhat obscure language in the age group definitions. None the less, teams should anticipate a fine weekend of lacrosse.

While this is not an event covered by BOTC, we are pleased that we were able to be in a position of advocacy for our Long Island teams.

Avoid this tournament and save yourself time and money. I am a 2022 outlaws parent we played a Rochester Flyers "B bracket" team today that had 3-4 5th graders on it. We then stuck around and watched igloo 2022 play in the championship against the Flyers "A bracket" team and heard the flyers parents discussing that there were 5th graders on the team....did the Flyers submit rosters and back them with birth certificates. Waste of time, this tournament will let anyone in and check nothing. They actually didn't even have a registration booth. BOTC we should have listened to the silence of you not following this half-a**ed tournament. Congrats to Outlaws and Igloo for winning legitimately against some good competition. Shame on chocolate town shootout and Flyers.

I was there and I am talking about Deto's team. If you were honest with yourself and everyone else you would have disclosed that what you call a "few" goals was at least 7 goals. I left when the other team was at 7. They probably got more than that. This team only scored 6 goals against the Outlaws. An elite team should be able to stop fast breaks from a team that could not score more than 6 goals against a "B" team. The other teams you played were not very good offensive teams. You know I am right and that is why you used the word "few" to cover up the truth and called me names. I am not starting trouble. I see people are asking about your team and I told them what I saw and my opinion. No need to react the way you did it looks bad.

I was there for all of the Turf Island 2021 Blue Team games and here are the scores:
Oilers 12 - NJ Tomahawks 8
Oilers 11 - LI Outlaws 2
Oilers 8 - Hershey Cocoa Loco 3
Oilers 17 - Force Blue 0
Sounds like a pretty good tournament showing to me.
I have watched these boys play for the past three years and I have even coached some of them. They have become better players and are having fun while playing the game. What more could a parent/coach hope for? My son is happy, so I am happy. End of story.

I was there for all of the Turf Island 2021 Blue Team games and here are the scores:
Oilers 12 - NJ Tomahawks 8
Oilers 11 - LI Outlaws 2
Oilers 8 - Hershey Cocoa Loco 3
Oilers 17 - Force Blue 0
Sounds like a pretty good tournament showing to me.
I have watched these boys play for the past three years and I have even coached some of them. They have become better players and are having fun while playing the game. What more could a parent/coach hope for? My son is happy, so I am happy. End of story.

Avoid this tournament and save yourself time and money. I am a 2022 outlaws parent we played a Rochester Flyers "B bracket" team today that had 3-4 5th graders on it. We then stuck around and watched igloo 2022 play in the championship against the Flyers "A bracket" team and heard the flyers parents discussing that there were 5th graders on the team....did the Flyers submit rosters and back them with birth certificates. Waste of time, this tournament will let anyone in and check nothing. They actually didn't even have a registration booth. BOTC we should have listened to the silence of you not following this half-a**ed tournament. Congrats to Outlaws and Igloo for winning legitimately against some good competition. Shame on chocolate town shootout and Flyers.

I don't understand why there is this long discussion of the Flyers cheating at Hershey. If there is a claim of cheating, it should be submitted to the tournament organizers and they should be obligated to investigate. That would include checking the birth certificates of all players who played. There is no grey area here. Either they used older players or they did not. And the tournament organizers must look into this because otherwise they are allowing a tournament where teams break the rules, which could result in injury. And if Flyers cheated, they should be banned from tournaments for a year. Period.

It was Chocolatetown Shootout, not Hershey. I did call but had no luck and left a voicemail. I never saw any organizers or a tent with organizers etc. We can't change history. If they can lay their heads down at night with a clear conscience, I feel really sorry for them

It was Chocolatetown Shootout, not Hershey. I did call but had no luck and left a voicemail. I never saw any organizers or a tent with organizers etc. We can't change history. If they can lay their heads down at night with a clear conscience, I feel really sorry for them

The tournament has a history of allowing older kids/teams to play down. I believe that BOTC had seen this complaint last year as well. This year the tournament allowed an older LI team into the wrong bracket but corrected it when BOTC called them out on it.

The tournament had NO registration booth, the directors were nowhere to be found, they did not require rosters or backup to rosters (their website said that teams must present rosters but they did not enforce it).

The Flyers cheated, they played with older kids. The kids told other teams kids they were older and the parents talked about it. The Flyers had two teams that dominated U-9 A and B brackets, each team had 2-3 subs. Each team had 3-4 kids that were not only a foot taller than every other kid on the field but also skilled in lacrosse like a 5th grader. If every kid on Flyers is U-9, then they could put together the best U-9 team in the country by far bar none and would have 4-5 kids on that team that are the best U-9 players in the country, and I am talking about better than anyone on Smash, Igloo, Express and better than the U-9 player on Crush that we all know.

It was a blatant joke and it has been raised to the organizers and they have not responded. There is still time for them to do the right thing and investigate and assure everyone that this will never happen again or otherwise AVOID this tournament next year at all costs.

"When we play TurfIsland we know we are going to score goals in bunches. They do have a powerful offense and that is how they win. But don't list scores against B and C teams and claim you did great. The big boys were not there and would have scored more and shutout those teams. You have a good team but not as good as you all think."

Wildkatz played Igloo at laxfest in a pretty exciting game then tied TI. I believe Igloo also beat TI by one goal but had lost to 91. I know Igloo won in the end but the point I am trying to make is, when talent plays talent, the games will be close. Both teams will score goals. They are 10 yrs old. These teams will be playing each other for years, some boys will be recruited to other teams and may even play together. As parents we should respect the teams and teach our kids to respect each other. You never know who you may end up playing with.

Very well put ...I like it .....most of the kids know each other and are friends the parents are the problem ....always trying to jockey there kid and gain an advantage... THEY ARE 10 !!!!! do you think the kids are talking about this non sense ... I have been watching this thread for 3 days and I am ashamed to say I probably know some of these people that have posted on here . In the end does it really matter , does it ???? Nope . I guess a good word would be pathetic ..... Have fun with the team you are on and save the drama . Your not missing anything where you . If your kid enjoys the team he is on and the kids he plays with be happy . DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY
This is better then Jerry Springer .

NJ Tomahawks U-11 team had 4 or 5 players well above normal size..and a maniac women coach who pierced everyones ears.

No it was confirmed like the rest of the teams at that tourney. They all bring in older kids.

This is out of control. Let me see if I can end this and show all you people that we all need each other.... I agree the problem starts with the parents. For some reason when the kids are 9 or 10 parents feel that if they have a kid who plays on the best team people will think their child will be viewed as better or even the best. It gives parents bragging rights. Since there is no ranking system or real championship game to see who is the best team it is left open for debate here and when we see each other. When we debate here and cut down the best Long Island teams in this open forum it weakens how people view Long Island lacrosse as I will explain. First let me make it clear to all that if your child plays on an elite team or even the best team it does not mean that he is better than other kids on other elite teams or even "B" and "C" teams. If fact the diference between an elite team is not the best players but the depth of the best players. The "B" teams better players can make most of the elite teams just as many "A" players can play on all the "A" teams. Just because your son plays on the best team it does not make him better than a kid that plays on a "B" team. But parents find a need to show the world that their son plays on the best team so he is viewed as the best. So pound your chest here and knock yourself out trying to show people your son plays on the best team. It does not mean your son is better than all the players on the other teams including those that play on "B" teams. Having said that there are 2 teams that are the best teams for 2021 and we all know they are. Now that does not mean that the other 3 "best" teams are not as good it just means that based on public opinion these two teams are the best for this year with 3 others very close. I base this on what most people say and what I have seen. I would put My son on any one of these 5 teams and be proud. All these teams are great scoring teams. Some teams may make changes next year or years after to get better. Some may add better defense which is almost always the fastest path to get better. One thing is for sure we are all from Long Island and we have an interest in making all of Long Island lacrosse better. I may not like some of these teams when My son's team plays them but when any Long Island team is playing any out of state team I ALWAYS want the Long Island team to Win. Many states want to take over as being the best and to do that they know they need to get better than US here on Long Island. If we are here fighting each other and cutting our Long Island teams down for the world to see it will be an easy fast take over for any state. Our kids will be ready for college in a few years and we all want Long Island to still be viewed as number one when it comes time for 2021 kids to pick a college. So remember each time you cut down one of our elite teams or even "B" teams you could be wekening the reputation of Long Island Lacrosse as a whole. After all if we have ony one elite team is Long Island a place where the best lacrosse is played? The more elite teams we have the longer colleges will be coming here to see our kids. WE NEED ALL OUR TEAMS TO GET BETTER !!! It does not matter who is the best as long as we keep the reputation of many elite teams. So please stop cutting each other down because in the end you are cutting down the talent pool on Long Island which includes all our kids. After all if your team is the only elite team on Long Island it means that the Long Island pool of players are not that good so why should colleges come here. We have an interest to have all long Island kids and teams get better at lacrosse. We should build all our Long Island teams up here for the word to see not tear them down. Don't forget that!!!