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BLLC very good 2024 Philly All-Star Team. 75% of those kids weren’t even on the team last year. This is Philly’s version of an All-Star Team. It would be like Express, Wolfpack, and Taz pulling the best kids on the Island and playing in a tournament! Imagine that happening!?!?!? BBL also very good but not the same Team without the two big kids. The East was very very very week this year. It will come down to the 3 LI Teams and the Philly All-Star team if they mesh and play well.

BLLC team majority of kids been together. A year ago team got stronger adding some key kids but the reason now dominant because playing age based teams. They have wins over a lot of top teams in 2024 but just couldn't finish off tournaments. This is not an all star team from Philly. Freedom and NXT have quite a few very good players not on this team. The 3 top teams in Philly do not get along that is why a FOGO from NXT going to LI team (come on LI seriously). Now are they the best team in the area yes I would say that.

It is comical that WSYL would let a kid from suburban PA play for a NY based team...

It is comical that WSYL would let a kid from suburban PA play for a NY based team...

Why does the WSYL need to be in Denver? Wouldn’t it make more sense to move this to Long Island, Philadelphia, or Baltimore? You know where the game is established and would draw more top teams.
The need to grow the game sometimes seems like a need for more money. Stay on east coast...build the product up so when it does spread it’s a well oiled machine.

My theory why is that in PA, a lot of our best athletes still don't play Lacrosse (or at least don't start young), while on LI they do. I also don't see our clubs practice as much as the LI teams (probably various reasons for this).

Comical is that said LI team would actually bring in kid from PA. Kid from PA is a terrific person and player but cmon. Has to be with in 100 miles so its all with in the rules but its kind of sad.....and even worse is the other LIE FO kid is terrific.

Plausible excuse is suppose.

But don’t forget, if your team is not a holdback team, your benchmark is not any of the DMV holdback teams that are a year older than your kids team. The HoCo elite teams are 80% or more holdbacks. If you are comparing apples to apples, you compare your sons team to Taz and WP who have no holdbacks. Those two teams are the only elite teams without holdbacks, unless you can throw your hat into that ring. If you can, then your sons team is prob better than you think, if you are comparing it to 2024 age teams, vs 2023 age teams.

Ok Long Island dad I was at a box tournament where BL beat Taz then lost to BBL in finals in February this year. I know you will say not field but I have never even seen BL in a box tourney before. So 2 on age teams finished ahead of Taz. BL is the most physical team out there. Sloppy with ball at times and will get penalties but I can tell you they can play with your LI teams and so can BBL.

Good question. The answer is because Jake Steinfeld has a close personal friendship with the owner of Mile High stadium, who is also the owner of the Denver Broncos and the Denver MLL team. They’re in it together. So the venue won’t be changing anytime soon, in all likelihood.

Good question. The answer is because Jake Steinfeld has a close personal friendship with the owner of Mile High stadium, who is also the owner of the Denver Broncos and the Denver MLL team. They’re in it together. So the venue won’t be changing anytime soon, in all likelihood.

Ok, original poster again... I'm dealing with two stunands so this will be my last post, but please feel free to educate me further since I don't have a clue. To the first stunad, I was making an argument for a GRADE-BASED WSYL so that they could truly get the best 7th graders playing in the same place at the same time. I was basically saying the complaining about holdbacks has to stop. I was taking a pro grade-based stance, an opinion. You threw mud. I love when my son goes up against older boys because HE likes the challenge.

To stunad two Long Island has a population of almost 8 million people now - you can find this information in multiple ways on the internet. I do my homework before I post. Please tell me you don't live on the island. Also - you are telling me that no one on the island holds back their kids in kindergarten or 1st grade due to academic, social, or development issues? If you think that the answer is no, then you are truly one of the dumbest people on the planet. I talked about different types of holdbacks. ALL teams have holdbacks. All of them. Some have more than others - my point is: who cares?

The two of you stunands chose to pick and choose arguments that make no sense. Thankfully, I was able to have a decent discussion with someone on this thread who made good counterpoints (to witch I agreed with to a certain extent).

[quote=Anonymous]BLLC very good 2024 Philly All-Star Team. 75% of those kids weren’t even on the team last year. This is Philly’s version of an All-Star Team. It would be like Express, Wolfpack, and Taz pulling the best kids on the Island and playing in a tournament! Imagine that happening!?!?!? BBL also very good but not the same Team without the two big kids. The East was very very very week this year. It will come down to the 3 LI Teams and the Philly All-Star team if they mesh and play well. [/quote


This sleepy 2024 PA Forum has become a bit of a train wreck in the last few days. Just wanted to set the record straight. BL is not an All Star team and 75% not on the team last year isn’t close to an accurate statement. Not sure where this is coming from, but it’s a little disparaging and entirely fake news. The starting goalie, starting defense line, starting LSM and starting attack line players have all been on the same team for well over a year, and in most cases since the club started several years ago. Same is true for most of the second line in those same positions, too. The vast majority of the team lives within a relatively concentrated geography in southeast PA in the West Chester area. The significant change that occurred is that a handful of players (mostly midis) joined BL last year and several players left (mostly midis). The new players from last year have been a great addition and are all fully rostered and committed families to the program. There are still plenty of great players in Southeast PA that play for other clubs, including NXT, Freedom and other programs, and a few in the area are traveling 90 miles and playing on the N.Y. teams. If BL was a true All Star team and pulled from those other clubs, too, then yes I would agree that Philly would really have an All Star team.

No offense, but you PA guys are boring. Talking about a bunch of little poh dunk teams that nobody cares about, as if any of them mean anything in the landscape of 2024 club lacrosse. So long fellas.

Brotherly Love 2024 poached players for years leading up to this year. Last year they built the academy to poach more players and it worked. As an example, the top PA RoughRiders 2024 players were all absorbed into BL over the years (goalie years ago, attack and middies after this past summer). BL is an all-star team and the guys who run it have no problem taking players from other clubs (until things didn’t go WG’s way and he left). Smart move with the academy to build this all star team - they should do well at WSYL.

91 is the only true team not using just WSYL players?!?!? Are you kidding me!?!?!? I won’t mention his name on here but you took one of our starting midfielders this year. Do you actually think he walked away from a scholarship and is now driving 90 miles for any other reason than to win the WSYL. Love the kid but his parents are insane. We will find out soon enough if (his parents) made the right decision.

I love the word "poached" like kids are property of a team. As a BL parent it was a great idea that they stopped using insurance salesman as coaches and it worked. Would you rather your 2k go to a Dad coach who no matter what is going to focus on his kid or a team that has guys that actually make a living coaching lacrosse. Go to any BL clinic and see Mueller, Bates, Adams, Noone, Towhig, Poppelton and Denikin coaching is very impressive definitely way more bang for the buck. Not sure how you could possibly argue the model they have built and I am sure more teams will try and follow suit....

I love the word "poached" like kids are property of a team. As a BL parent it was a great idea that they stopped using insurance salesman as coaches and it worked. Would you rather your 2k go to a Dad coach who no matter what is going to focus on his kid or a team that has guys that actually make a living coaching lacrosse. Go to any BL clinic and see Mueller, Bates, Adams, Noone, Towhig, Poppelton and Denikin coaching is very impressive definitely way more bang for the buck. Not sure how you could possibly argue the model they have built and I am sure more teams will try and follow suit....

I love the word "poached" like kids are property of a team. As a BL parent it was a great idea that they stopped using insurance salesman as coaches and it worked. Would you rather your 2k go to a Dad coach who no matter what is going to focus on his kid or a team that has guys that actually make a living coaching lacrosse. Go to any BL clinic and see Mueller, Bates, Adams, Noone, Towhig, Poppelton and Denikin coaching is very impressive definitely way more bang for the buck. Not sure how you could possibly argue the model they have built and I am sure more teams will try and follow suit....

Hey unoriginal bastage, the BL model you speak so highly of is the model Duke’s Nationals has followed for years! Granted poorly run but BL stole the idea so stop pretending they (you) came up with it! BL is a version of Duke’s but at 2024 they aren’t as good as Duke’s 24 and will get hammered by WSYL favorites. They won’t even play in the final 8

My kid has been coached by 5 out of Seven of those guys at a tourney in Maryland and this past weekend. Might want to do some research before making things up

Nope not at all.
My son has been coached by Deniken, Noon, Mueller, and Tohig at the tournaments and practices for the last year. Never a dad as hc. But if it helps you sleep at nite. By all means keep telling yourself the club is doing the old bait and switch.

Would love to see BL or BBL win the whole thing. Things would quiet down considerably on these boards. It's definitely not out of the question.

Calm down there daddy-o! Happy hour has obviously already started in PA. What, exactly has either of your teams won? Have either ever won a tourney against any meaningful teams? Any?? Ever??? I’ve been to a whole lot of tournaments over the past 7 years, and I’ve never seen either team in a championship game, or even in what I would call a competitive game, with my sons team. Come on back to earth now gentlemen. Your little teams are average to above average, at best.

Enjoy it now..because we know what is going to happen to your son's team when they play the grown-ups in the NLF...just ask the 91 Bandits

The cheater teams shouldn’t be a problem for WP. Most of the teams they have played to date have been ‘23 teams which are far better than the MD ‘23 cheater teams trying to disguise themselves as ‘24 teams. To date, the Pack is undefeated, without a single competitive game. There’s no shame in losing to teams a year older, but that likely won’t happen. They aren’t Crush and they aren’t Bandits. They are Wolfpack.

Would love to see BL or BBL win the whole thing. Things would quiet down considerably on these boards. It's definitely not out of the question.