BOTC - US Lacrosse Community Forum Forums NORTHEAST LACROSSE BOTC MAIN FORUM (LI, CT, WC) Boys 2021-7th Grade Fall 2015 Summer 2016

Of course they would attend. That's not even a question. Try telling your son, "you made it to the WS of lax and could be on TV, BUT naaah, we won't go".

Igloo has cleaned up their act parting ways with the '20 kids on their team--who by the way had trouble making '20 "A" teams until Daddy called and whined/pleaded with the organization to take his son after he had not made the team. Enjoy the sideline...

(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?

(2020 dad here) I have an honest question and would like whomever originally posted this' opinion - as well as others. My son plays 2020 in a "lax town" he doesn't make 2020 A teams but when he plays 2021 A teams playing up he almost always DOMINATES his man. He is born in November so am I "cheating" if I played him on a 2021 A team where I would know at least a half dozen or so kids on the team would be chronologically older than him despite the fact that they may be a year behind him in school? I have wrestled with this topic for years. Who benefits and who is the victim if I did this?

Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?

...how does he get better if he isn't given the opportunity to play? which is what happens all to often to many kids in the same boat. He plays against 2020 kids who in some cases are 14 - 16 months older than him which is a big deal at this age.

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.

Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?

Why isn't he given the opportunity to play?

Yes, you are "cheating." If he is in the graduating class of 2020, he plays on a 2020 team - regardless of chronological age. If he dominates the 2021 kids when he plays them, he would be the "victim" in your scenario. How does he get better if he isn't challenged?

(playing devil's advocate) because he can't make the 2020 A team playing against older kids but can make the 2019 A team against kids closer to his actual age

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.

I would bet that if we look at rosters of the top 5 2021 teams and 2020 teams you would be surprised how many 2020 could play or do play based on there age on 2021 team. So at the end of the day the age is what matters not the grade. I know a couple of 8th graders who are younger then some of the 7th graders . I don't have a problem with a boy playing down if he fits the age, cause what grade you are in these days means nothing , as we have come to find out.

Anyone know when the World Series Qualifying Tournaments will be played for each Region? Site just says April/May. For Northeast Region - anyone want to go out on a limb and predict the 4 that qualify? Mid-Atlantic?

NE:
Igloo
ICON
91
Express

Mid-Atlantic:
Crabs
Bethesda
Hawks
Rising Sons - if they are together still

If you have a very young 2020 player (and my 2021 team has no Summer birthday, but about 8 Fall 2002 birthdays), find a U13 team for him to play on. Should be one in a hotbed area. Or find a 2021 team that plans to play in U13 tournaments. Just have the principle not to let him play in any grade-based tournaments.

What LI team has eight fall 2002 birthdays???? Those kids should be in 8th grade. My daughter is 14 and is in 10th grade. 14, yes, the same age as a Crab 2021 "7th grader" that my son's team played this past summer.

Sad part is that most 2021 teams probably have 4-6 Summer 2002 birthdays. Having a U.S. Lacrosse 9/1 compliant team is not very common, at least for single year teams - that's why [lacrosse]'s and World Series moved to 6/1 and 5/1 cutoffs. BS in my view.

Igloo has 5 of them

Igloo has 5 of them

From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.

My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age

My son was born late Nov. We had put him in an academic Pre school to get him ready as we knew he would be one of the youngest in his class, and the end of the year both the Pre School and his future school recommended we wait a year. Other then economic advantage there no reason to start him. One Guidance counselor told me ' 90% of my problems come from Nov boys". At the time lax was the furthest thing from my mind, my kid did not even start playing till 3rd grade when he learned all his friends where playing. Plenty of boys born in Oct Nov where held back for academic reasons. There i nothing sinister about it. Lacrosse are the only idiots that go by grade not age

From what I understand, Igloo jettisoned their grade inappropriate players this round of tryouts. They still have 5 2021 kids born prior to 12/1/02? Is this true or conjecture? The Igloo players my son knows well are age appropriate.

My son has an Aug 30th 03 birthdate. Where should he play

You know, the answer. Its like asking I got a 74 on a test, but to pass I need a 75. Then the next kids bday is aug 29, then the next kid I'd aug 28. No matter what the date is, there will be kids born the previous day.

I don't think anyone is complaining about the November 2002 kids especially when held back for academic reasons. US Lacrosse states for all ages:

"It is recommended that when multiple teams exist within a program, the program should consider physical size, skill, and maturity when organizing teams."

This rule is so that older kids that are not as good talent wise, smaller or not as mature could be held back and play as the oldest kid. Kids that are older, bigger or have more talent than most 12 year olds should play up. So the age rules are to help older weaker and smaller players by allowing them to play where they are the oldest. IT IS NOT TO HAVE OLDER TALENTED KIDS THAT CAN COMETETE THE GRADE ABOVE BUT BE THE YOUNGEST PLAY DOWN AND DOMINATE BEING THE OLDEST OR TO FORM DREAM TEAMS THAT HAVE KIDS SO MUCH LARGER THAN THE AVERAGE 12 YEAR OLD. SO YES TEAMS ARE CHEATING WHEN THEY HAVE OLDER KIDS THAT ARE LARGER THAN AVERAGE THAT ARE STARS PLAY EVEN IF THEY FIT IN THIS AGE GROUP. Those kids are meant to play up or grade level. It is disgusting that parents and teams use a rule improperly meant to allow a weaker kid play as the oldest and take a talented kid and make them more dominant by having them play as the oldest. We know which team id guilty of this in 2021. Yes they do cheat even if all the kids are proper age.

How in the world can you list Bethesda in this list??

You can take Rising Sons off that list. The team left and the new team will be very different.

igloo will never be allowed to go as JS will block that by any means.