Use this thread to discuss lax pertaining to 2023 Graduating Boys (10th Graders) for the Fall 2020/Summer 2021 season.

Who are the Top 10 2023 grads on LI?

Already stirring the pot...

Dad,

Just post your list with the name of your kids club at the top. The kids going into 10th grade are too old for this nonsense. The top 5 teams are known (interchangeable in that tops 5 depending who your kid plays for). Focus on your kid and his team. If you are still jockeying for position at this point you have issues!

Signed,

The lax parents not living vicariously through their kid

Who are the top 5?...new to all of this

"new to all of this". Yeah, right. We're not taking your bait lost.

Which teams have tryouts for 2023 this year.? My son has played for one of those top teams for a few years. And I say played in theory. Hasn’t seen many minutes and while he likes his teammates and practices he doesn’t get much time in game unless it’s a real blowout early. I can’t see how he’s going to have a highlight video. Please hold the rude comments. I just want to know where he can tryout this year.

I would contact the organization you’re interested in. Most would find a spot for someone who will make their team better. Definitely need to get playing time in front of college coaches this year, playing for the “top team “ is great, but you also need to be seen.

Best thing to do is call a club that you think he will get play time on. We have all seen or heard about every club in this age group.

Paul Rabil
Matt Kavanaugh
Grant ament
Tom Schreiber
Trevor Baptiste


Jack a--

I think the majority of the clubs will have some sort of tryout shortly. Before you jump ship, if you haven't done so already, have a conversation with the coach/director and discuss the concerns you have. I would think hard about leaving your current club.Think outside the box, not one size fits all. In the end, money is the root of all evil!

Thank you. But I’m looking for a new club. I’ve received lots of promises from this club. My son may not be as good as the starters but he’s still a strong and fast player just undersized. I’m ok with less playing time but 2 mins is a joke. And every time there’s a new excuse. Now the director has offered to move him to the B team which is fine. But i think it’s better to be on the top or only team of a club. I can’t find which clubs have tryouts posted and I don’t know any other coaches to call

Promises, Promises...May find yourself in the same situation with a new team. Hypothetical; lets say whatever club you land with (A Team), your son get an offer to play for "X" school which is D1. Your kid accepts and settles on a major that he has no interest in, just to play lacrosse. OR, he narrows it down to a couple of schools that offer majors he interested in and may be a D1/D2 school. Hence, he attends (on his own) the prospect camps conducted by either of the schools and receives an offer. Think out side the box. And don't let anyone tell you, you can't.

What makes you think any other A team will be different? Every A team has a bottom half. Most of these kids don’t play but stick with A team status. I would rather my kid be #1 on a B team then the bottom of an A and never play.

You are correct. Keep off B teams from any club. They are not looked at seriously by colleges. If a coach does call the director about your son the director will be most likely steer the collage coach to an uncommitted kid on the top team, Is a B team worth it? All you have to do is look at 91, Igloo and Express B team commits for 2021. Very few commits and you decide how good the colleges are. Great advice by somebody here who said find a team he will play on. You are looking for the clubs that get in the best tournaments and where he will play. My son is D1 commit to a top academic and lacrosse college and never tried out for any of those big clubs that everyone seems to want to be apart of. So you don't need to be on the top or best club to be seen and recruited but you do have to be on the field at the correct events. The 2021 clubs (top teams only) that have a lot of D1 and D3 commits for great lacrosse and academic schools are in no order: Legacy, 91, Express, Rebels and FLG. S2S does not have a 2021 team but the guys who run that organization have many college connections and will get their kids in top schools when they get to the recruiting ages. All the other clubs on Long Island are far behind the ones just mentioned. Good luck.

Your situation is similar to the one I had with my middle son I dropped him to the B team on his club. It helped. His confidence went up because he was playing a lot. Entering sophomore year I had him try out for a recruiting team. He was excepted and had a great experience. He starts college in a few days. It’s not for everyone and all they players are not equal. Only a few made D1 most go D2 or D3 (mine is D3) Most importantly he is going to a very good school and he will be playing LAX.

Left off Igloo with almost the entire team committed. That was by accident.

I'm so sorry you think I was joking or baiting....Just wanted information.

Just curious... Can you give a list of the schools S2S kids went to? i know i've seen their field trip to NC, but i do not recall any of their guys (aside from the director's kid) going to the next levels.

There is no kid that is on top club B team, other than by a weird choice, that is a D1 talent. Even the top A teams will not place every player in D1. Your kid needs to play period. If you are on an A team and sit, guess what, no looks = no recruitment. You dont get better by sitting...

S2S is a new program and have not had a team old enough to be recruited. I know those guys and they have connections and when the time comes the kids they have will be recruited. Great program. FLG is great with college connections. They get their kids recruited and go to schools they are probably not good enough but the directors know all the college coaches. Rebels director and his father got a lot of Outlaw kids recruited before starting this club and the 2021s is his first recruiting year and he is doing well getting the kids looks and recruited. They get into the best recruitment events and have enough connections to make it work. Legacy gets into the best events and have a lot of connections. Igloo, Express and 91 (top teams only not B teams) kids get recruited but they have kids that attend top lacrosse HS. They go to top events and know all the college coaches. Great connections. No club will get a kid recruited who does not belong. Each kid takes a different path to college. It is a combo of being seen at the right events, being on the field, attending the prospect camps and playing for a respected club team. These clubs listed here top teams should be on everyone's list so long as they play at least half the game. If your kid is not playing move him to a team where he plays but try to stay on one of these clubs listed here.

What about Turtles ? I know they had success in the past .

Their time has gone away. we played them at the last tournament, although we won, they have issues that need to be addressed on their sideline.

Thank you turtle parent. How would you know they have issues need to be addressed on sideline from opposite team.

How do I know? Turtle parents complaining to us during and after the game. That's how I know.

I don't know about the turtles so I will not comment. If you list the tournaments the 2023 team attends I can tell you if those are good recruiting tournaments. The teams I listed in other posts Rebels, Legacy, Igloo, 91, Express all go to top recruiting tournament, have college connections and have had success in recruiting. Just look at the 2021 recruits for those programs. FLG attends weaker tournaments and has weaker teams in general but makes it up with great college connections. However, they do go to enough strong tournaments. S2S I know has connections and will be a great spot to go to too for recruiting. I'm sure they will get into the top tournaments and they have great colleges connections that will help all kids. Like I said I will not comment on the turtles because I do I don't know enough.

Has anybody received an update about whether the UA Long Island Command tryouts are going to be able to happen? Every region except LI and Upstate have had their tryouts. Just lists “Postponed” on the website still.

Email the Coaches, there's a good chance they already know who they're picking.

It's usually not by some 'weird' choice, but since you're labelling...

Being a stud on a B team is usually the fault of all the Parasitic Parents, ParochialBS, Politics, Primadonnas, Prep PG & Pre-K, Payola, Player Propaganda for biased rankings from IL or LILJ Periodicals, and finally, all those parents partaking in coaches pilfering pockets, cause they're too paranoid to let the boys PLAY. 'Cause that would only result in their boys being put in their place. Instead, progenitors choose to put boys on a pedestal and become prognosticators of who is worthy of D1 concluding nobody is capable of playing at such a level unless they are on an A team. So now let's say you take the P's out. That leaves A,B,C,D and Door_Open_And, but many of the A team boys can't make the Door_Open_And grade cause 'lax is life', unless of course the parents bring the P back, paying the parochial professor $600 or a private tutor appointment just to get a B. Meanwhile the B team stud has been studying the whole time with a focus on As and playing the game the way it was meant to be played. He's going to A.) NESCAC, Ivy, or other high end schools B.) knowing there's no future in lacrosse, C.) all while the A team parents pine away with a lax version of PTSD D.) trying to figure out how the weird choice worked. Fact is if you actually used your pea-brain and knew the answer was E.) all of the above, and paid attention you wouldn't be posting such pointless garbage. If you just let the kid go to the library, improvise in the back yard, and do pick-up you'd get a free lesson that paying 30-50k to pad the egos of travel team owners is just not worth it because there are other important things in life.

My boy's wicked smaart. Not a '23, but he's committed D1. Go figure, we made the weird choice. Plus, as of July 15th, NCAA D1 is now allowing equivalency sports the ability to stack merit aid with athletic and need based aid. Who's on the A team now? Pop....hmmm, must be the sound of your head deflating. Good Luck Hunting for what's best for you.

I disagree. The Ivy league, NESCAC and other top academic schools are not taking B team players. Most players are going to those schools come from AA teams. Also, the Ivy league, NESCAC and other top academic schools do not offer academic money. So the stacking of money does not apply to a student who has top grades and a great lacrosse player unless they down grade to a school that is below what they would get in for academics alone. Most kids get into better schools with lacrosse than they would have got in without lacrosse.

They are taking B team players, not a load, but they are taking them. So it's not right to say they don't take B team players. It's also not right to say don't play for a B team...might as well say give up before the go through puberty, That would be great for the sport! Players develop and many families don't want to deal with the BS mentioned above. You are correct that Ivy and NESCAC don't offer academic money, but there are other nationally ranked (academic and athletic) schools where the stacking works, especially if a specific type of major is available and it may very well rank higher than the Ivys. Plus, there are some Ivy's like the one in upstate NY with a tag line that says 'Any student. Any study.' But that is false, because it is known the coaches let travel coaches know they don't want the kid majoring in 'x' no matter how good the player is...or they admit the player and work hard to get the kid to change his major. In regard to NESCAC, many accredited majors aren't offered and the choice is liberal arts or business. Point is, you've gotta do your homework, know the goal, make it as fun and financially rewarding as possible.

How many Bandits suited up for the Warriors today at Blatant? 4 or 5? Typical 91 shenanigans. Why do parents put up with that?

More fake news.

Filled out the on-line eval. request for the Turtles. Heard mix reviews about them. How many do they carry on the team, and do they attend worthy tournaments. I have not seen them around.

Not fake news. The SWR kid was there and 6-7’others. You can’t hide it anymore. The kids all now each other by now. It was also video taped by the tournament. Can always check for yourself.

You’ll be unhappy to know that the entire team that was there today were all Warriors. You can check the films yourself.

Top recruit at this age plus 5 others were needed to beat the Rebels, True Blue, and Igloo? Really?!? And the response was, "Fake News". Warrior parents are getting played, big time.

No Bandits. That’s just a silly statement. The Warriors did not have to bring in additional players.

Warriors did not need a stacked team to outplay these three teams.

Lol come on bro. You probably didn’t realize because you were asked to stay home for the bandits to use your spot. Truth hurts.

No dog in the fight so let's get real - why would the Warriors need anyone to beat Rebels, True Blue, and Igloo? That's laughable on face value alone.

I saw a few sad hatchlings walking back to their cars with their parents. Got a little too warm for shells today!

No dog in the fight so let's get real - why would the Warriors need anyone to beat Rebels, True Blue, and Igloo? That's laughable on face value alone.[/quote]

What’s laughable is the 20 kids they had on the sideline - how does it feel to pay 4K to watch other kids take all your kid’s playing time? Is that 91 sticker on your car worth that much?

What’s laughable is the 20 kids they had on the sideline - how does it feel to pay 4K to watch other kids take all your kid’s playing time? Is that 91 sticker on your car worth that much?[/quote]

It's the same political non-sense here in Smithtown. Dealing with many coaches and board members at times is impossible.

What’s laughable is the 20 kids they had on the sideline - how does it feel to pay 4K to watch other kids take all your kid’s playing time? Is that 91 sticker on your car worth that much?[/quote]


Every time a team gets beat by one of the B teams of a big club. The excuse is they had their best players from the top team. Just face the facts that your kids team lost your team is not that good. Really if the best players from the bandits were there the scores would have been much higher

It's the same political non-sense here in Smithtown. Dealing with many coaches and board members at times is impossible.[/quote]

The Smithtown lax is total chaos.

Conservatively there are 5-6 potential D1 players on the 91 Warriors but they are not a typical B team. Too bad they didn’t get a chance to show it this year.

Every year 91 has the best B team and I agree every year those teams have many D1 players. However, when it comes time for recruiting those kids go to low level D2 and low level D3 schools. A couple each year will make a decent academic school. It is rare 91 B team players go D1 or go to a great school. Just look at the history. Every year the parents think their team is the exception. They find out they are wrong when it is too late. 2021 Ambush 91 is very good. Handful of commits all d2 and most schools people never heard of. 2020 and 2019 same thing. Great b teams with D1 players but 91 could not place many at a D1 or decent school. Rebels , Legacy and FLG placing many D1s for 2021. Parents have to look at the end game. Check your ego at the door, Trust me your ego will feel a lot better when you say your kid played for the Rebels or FLG but are playing D1 or at a great academic school.

Best humbling post ever to 91 ego maniac parents. Their kids will ultimately be working for my kid from one of theses so called "B" teams!

Your bias against the 91 program is so obvious

I respect your opinion but it is based on history and generalizations. In this instance you need to look at a few individual player

I agree to a point. But 2021 Ambush 91 has potential D1 level players just like every other 91 B team in the past and currently. Not to be general and to be more specific these are the 2021 Ambush commits so far:

Fairleigh Dickerson
RPI (great school D3)
Arcadia
Colorado Mesa
North Greenville

The 2020 and 2019 B teams had many potential D1 players too. Similar results to 2021 Ambush. You can look it up.

My kids attend top academic schools and one is committed to play D1. Before an offer is made the high school coach and club coach gets a call. Are you sure that club coach will not try and get some of his AA kids committed who are not? He could say: "player B is great but I have five better players on my AA team". Also, he has to explain why the kid is on the B team. Unfortunately, the B team player does not get recruited by top academic or D1 schools you would want your son to attend. You have to look at history. Do you really think that 2023 is the first B team to have D1 level plays on the B team? 91, Express and Igloo have had little success placing their B team players at good schools. What ever the reason I will promise you 2023 will not be better. You are better off taking those players and going to another club. Look at Rebels, FLG and Legacy 2021 commits. Their D1 players are committed to D1 and great academic schools. Why can't 91, Express and Igloo do that for their D1 level kids. Get out before it is too late.

The two best schools on that list of five are the coach's kids. Year after year people join these big club B teams with bad results in the end. Year after year the parents of those B teams are told that your team is different. If 91 can not get D1 or great academic schools for all the AA players they are certainty not going to get a great school for the B team players. 2021 91 has the best team in the country and all are not recruited and some landed in questionable spots. Think this through. The answer is easy. I would pick 91 B team AFTER 91 top team, Igloo top team, Express top team, S2S, Rebels, Legacy top team and FLG. After that 91 B team has the most success with recruiting. Even the Outlaws 2021 who had all the best players leave 2 years ago have placed more D1 players and better schools than 2021 91 B team.

Igloo owner's son is going to a low level D1 school. Why couldn't he get his son into a top 5 D1 school?

1) maybe his is not as good as he thinks he is
2) maybe his sons choice was based on what major he wants
3) maybe his sons choice was based on comfort with the school and fit on the team
3) maybe his just fell in love with the choice he made and feels this is where he wants to be and it’s just not all about lacrosse
His choice. Why do you care.

That school is a middle level D1 school and good academics. 5 wins and 1 loss before the season was shortened. It is moving up as its academic ranking has moved up over the last few years. They are getting better players. A 500 team the past few years. I would not call it low level. Some D1 players choose a school for major, money or fit. He had other options. An offer from a middle level D1 school usually means the kid had other offers. There are 74 D1 schools. Think of the odds of going D1. Approximately 65 - 80 goalies and FOGOs, 150 to 225 attack and defensemen and 500 to 750 middies each year are taken for D1. 2021 year the numbers will be lower because of school budgets and NCAA allowing a 5th year of eligibility. Being one of those 150 - 225 attack taken is a great accomplishment even if it is a middle level school. With all the AA teams in the country and players being taken from Canada it is very hard to get a D1 offer. That's why the B teams from 91, Igloo and Express are not getting D1 players recruited. If the top team has 25 players that means the B team players are ranked 25 - 50 in that one club. The AA team does not have 100 percent D1 players and some don't ever get an offer. The chances are very low for a D1 player to be on the B team and getting a D1 offer when all the AA players do not all get D1 offers. The colleges know those kids are ranked low on the club and look elsewhere. They know that many clubs including Long Island clubs , have top players that would be ranked in the top 25 for Igloo, Express and 91. That explains why FLG, Rebels, Legacy and even the Outlaws players get offers before the big clubs bottom AA team players and B team. Add to the mix B teams play in lesser tournaments and against lesser players so it is hard to read how good those players are.

Because owners are smarter than the rest of us consumers. He probably sat his son down and gave him the same talk that parents give kids about santa clause but instead with LAX. There is no future in LAX son so lets use your talent to pay for as much school as possible. You can go to top D1 school and come out with 200,000 in student loans or go to smaller D1 school and come out with 50,000 in student loans. More importantly get that Business degree for as little as possible and spend the rest of your life teaching kids to play lacrosse for 3-5k a year. Set for life working in the sport you love.

It shows the real answer about these club owners who preach about how they are going to get their players in the best lacrosse colleges. It's all a money scam. Any "B" or "C" player can get into that college and play lax. You don't need to be on Igloo/91/Express "A" team. Save your money.

With all the notIntelligent comments on this site, this is top 5.

Not any B or C player can get a spot at that school. Be fair. It is a good school that gets better every year in lacrosse and academics. All commits for that program for 2021 came from AA teams. 225 attack players will be lucky enough to get a D1 spot for 2021. This is a top 40 lacrosse school. I wish the kid well.

It shows the real answer about these club owners who preach about how they are going to get their players in the best lacrosse colleges. It's all a money scam. Any "B" or "C" player can get into that college and play lax. You don't need to be on Igloo/91/Express "A" team. Save your money.[/quote]

Not any B or C player can get a spot at that school. Be fair. It is a good school that gets better every year in lacrosse and academics. All commits for that program for 2021 came from AA teams. 225 attack players will be lucky enough to get a D1 spot for 2021. This is a top 40 lacrosse school. I wish the kid well.[/quote]

Stop being biased, and it's an analogy that any good player can play at that school. There are kids all over the country not on AA clubs who are playing D1. Igloo/91/Express are a money grab.

Not any B or C player can get a spot at that school. Be fair. It is a good school that gets better every year in lacrosse and academics. All commits for that program for 2021 came from AA teams. 225 attack players will be lucky enough to get a D1 spot for 2021. This is a top 40 lacrosse school. I wish the kid well.[/quote]

Stop being biased, and it's an analogy that any good player can play at that school. There are kids all over the country not on AA clubs who are playing D1. Igloo/91/Express are a money grab.[/quote]


You are correct. Any good player could play there if they get an offer. Problem is only kids from AA teams get offers. All Providence 2021 Commits come from the following clubs all are AA :

Fighting Clams AA

Igloo Black Ice

91 Blaze

Coyotes Blue

Leading Edge AA

Laxachusetts Black

2 Way

Express Schreiber


All AA teams.

No Bias here, just facts

Stop being biased, and it's an analogy that any good player can play at that school. There are kids all over the country not on AA clubs who are playing D1. Igloo/91/Express are a money grab.[/quote]


You are correct. Any good player could play there if they get an offer. Problem is only kids from AA teams get offers. All Providence 2021 Commits come from the following clubs all are AA :

Fighting Clams AA

Igloo Black Ice

91 Blaze

Coyotes Blue

Leading Edge AA

Laxachusetts Black

2 Way

Express Schreiber


All AA teams.

No Bias here, just facts[/quote]

8 kids only?

You are correct. Any good player could play there if they get an offer. Problem is only kids from AA teams get offers. All Providence 2021 Commits come from the following clubs all are AA :

Fighting Clams AA

Igloo Black Ice

91 Blaze

Coyotes Blue

Leading Edge AA

Laxachusetts Black

2 Way

Express Schreiber


All AA teams.

No Bias here, just facts[/quote]

8 kids only?[/quote]

There are 14. Igloo, leading Edge and Laxachusetts have multiple players going.

Not a great academic school. Period.

Not only are the Division 1 colleges looking for top players and not players from B teams but the the majority of players taken by Division 1 are prep or Parochial school kids. Public School kids are at a big disadvantage even if on a top club. I think a 91 goalie recently made a top D1 team playing on 91 B team so It does happen but it is rare.

Totally agree. Top D1 programs are typically more selective schools. Kids going to D1 programs also have to be academically similar to the other incoming freshmen. They can't be way below the average. A D1 coach doesn't want to battle the admissions office to explain why his recruits can't hang in the classroom. A coach has less risk recruiting kids from more academically challenging private schools. Public schools just don't prepare students for top schools - there are exceptions, however, but not many.

Correct. and this is the problem with these club owners like AA coming on here and justifying his sons acceptance to this low ranked academic and D1 team.

So many of you talk about boys who are on B teams at 13, 14 & 15 years old as if they are talentless bums. First off, do you have any idea how much politics takes place in the formation of these A teams? Every A team has at least one coach's kid who shouldn't be on the team, then there are the friends and family of the coaches and directors, or what about when there are a bunch of kids from the same town so that the 'stud' player has someone to carpool with. Are you completely unaware of the parents who slip an extra envelope to the director to get their son onto one of these 'A' teams? Oh yeah, that happens. Go through 91, Express, Igloo and S2S and there are 8-10 boys on each A team roster who barely get into games or strategically play vs lousy teams. I'm not saying there are 8-10 boys on each B team who could take their spots but there are easily 2-3 boys on these B teams who could compete at the A level if they could break through the nonsense. I've seen situations where a 'B' player is a starter on their high school team over an 'A' team player from the same club. I'd take the high school coach's evaluation over the club director's any day in that situation.

Secondly, do you realize that every kid develops at their own pace? Some are early bloomers, some are undersized throughout grade school and then spring up in 9th grade after all these teams have been selected (try breaking onto one of these clubs for the first time in high school). Even professional sports teams misevaluate players and make terrible mistakes, that's how you get busts like Sam Bowie going over MJ just to name the most famous. Bet you haven't heard that Tom Brady was a sixth rounder! Mike Piazza was taken in the last round of the MLB draft. 13 NBA teams passed on Giannis and he's about to win his 2nd consecutive MVP. What makes you think a random club lacrosse coach or director makes all the right decisions?

Finally, with two boys going through the club scene over the last 10 years, I've seen plenty of "A" players come down to fill out their club's B team for a random tournament and do absolutely nothing and I've seen "B" players step up to fill in for an injured "A" player and dominate like they should have been there the whole time. 'A' rankings and 'B' rankings are fluid terms and subject to change. Take a look at the ebb and flow of some of these top LI teams for 2023, one in particular has fallen off significantly b/c they held on too long to a core that was strong in 2016 & 2017 and haven't made the difficult decision of telling some of their 'A' players the truth.

Wait are you saying that Providence is not a great academic school, if you mean not "great" as compared to an ivy or NESCAC school, I get it, but Providence is a good school.

This guy nailed it on the head! Complete accuracy.

Yes. The 91 goalie made a solid D1 program from their B team... the A team goalies were set before he joined the 91 program.

Yet, he was seen at his HS game ( against another player who was already committed to said school ) where he “stood on his head“ and the Assistant coach of that school was in attendance.

Can a player be recruited to a top school playing for a B team? Absolutely. Is it undoubtedly harder to be seen by college coaches on a B team? Absolutely, and for a multitude of reasons. Coaches can only see a finite number of games when attending tournaments since multiple games are going on at the same time. They want to see players playing against other high level teams bc A.) They get to see multiple recruitable players in a game and B.) If a player stands out, you know that it isn’t bc they are playing against a sub par team.

Bottom line is you have to do what is best for your kid and there is no wrong answer as to where you both decide where you want to play.

This is complete BS. Those public school kids still have to pass Admissions, still have to have the grades, still have to be NCAA eligible with a pairing of GPA and test scores to make them eligible. Those public school kids work very hard to get where they are going in D1, mostly in non-hot bed areas where they have spent their entire childhoods working on their own and putting in the time on the field and in the classroom. These kids are the very definition of hard work.
Maybe historically East coast prep schools sent the most kids to play D1, but times are changing and athletes are coming from all over the country ready to compete with any kid in college. To say that public school kids are not “prepared” to go to college because their parents can’t afford more than the average US citizens yearly take home pay in tuition is the most privileged statement I have ever heard. And the LAX community wonders why our sport is looked down upon by being a white rich kid sport. Stop perpetuating the idea that you have to be a prep school kid to be a successful athlete in college, that myth is debunked by every student athlete that graduates every year despite their parents income tax bracket and despite their high school.
Nothing is absolute, just like all the kids in prep schools who pay $65k a year that don’t get into a top level D1 programs.

My older son got recruited from going to a prospect camp. He was on a AA team in HS. The varsity coach was more beneficial to him than the thousands of dollars I spent on his travel team. Oh, and he was a starter.

The prep school truther apparently hasn't looked at a college lacrosse roster recently. Go pull up any Ivy, Big East, Big Ten or ACC roster, they're littered with kids who graduated from CSH, Garden City, Manhasset, Ward Melville, SWR, John Jay, Yorktown, Bronxville, Darien, Greenwich, etc...

Some of the richest parts on Li and Connecticut schools .

Less than 25 percent of college rosters come from public schools including the ones you mention. Much harder to get a D1 offer for a public school kid. One reason for this is public school kids are more likely to be the proper age. If you are the proper age and get a D1 offer it is a special accomplishment but if you are from a public school and are proper age you beat all odds and have to be proud.

It still does happen for Public School kids but there is no doubt it is a harder road. Prep kids are more prepared for college is ever aspect and the coaches know that going into it and if it came down to a public or prep kid they will take the prep kid . Go to any founders league game in May it is loaded with ever Div 1 coach you do not see that anymore with the Public schools

Ok I don’t want to get into a war of words here but my kid plays club in Baltimore. Very
private school heavy as well. Our team is all private but maybe 5. No one on our team is going Div 1. There are major wannabes, but they are just that, wannabes.
I came here to say that these public school educators have had all of the Covid-time in the world to create ways to keep these kids playing and busy but haven’t lifted a finger because THEY JUST DON’T HAVE TO. That is where the wheat separates. The private coaches their job depends on it and kids come to them. Their livelihood depends on it.
Public school coaches don’t.

The Nassau and Suffolk public school regional team tryouts had every D1 Coach (some multiple) and all the D3 coaches that the kids would want to go to. All coaches went to the tournament also.

Prep programs are like colleges were in the 80's and early 90's. They have recruiting lists, several coaches, funds for trips, alumni outreach programs, offseason programs, gym times, on and on. Public HS who compete and thrive on national level with grassroots efforts and local community (Darien, Yorktown, Duxbury, Manhasset, GC) deserve medals.

I'm sick of lacrosse media putting public and private into the same bucket to rank and judge them.

By the way, the prep surge is a recent phenomenon. Most of the New England preps were not generating many D1 lacrosse players until surge in the 2000's. The prep league with the PG's definitely cranked up their programs-- they used tons of cash, recruited players, and turned into lax factories (Taft, Culver, Brunswick, St Sebastians, etc.) because, like D1 football and hoops, it boosts alumni giving and creates demand from rich local clients (students).

Its pathetic and backwards that lacrosse recruiting to bigtime college programs is so concentrated in such few HS and club programs. With lacrosse growing in popularity across the country, its amazing how such few programs dominate the top recruiting scene. As if the 18th kid on Taft is better than the entire state of Minnesota or Georgia. Please.

Why would a college coach take a player from one of these teams (Rebels, FLG ect.) over a player that is better but is on 91 B team.

They would not. Ultimately it comes down to how good the player is. If they are not D1 they will not make a D1 school most of the time. BUT IF THEY ARE D1 THEY STILL MAY NOT MAKE D1. FLG and Rebels have legit D1 players for 2021. I think 91 B 2021 has a few too but 91B will almost never get a kid into D1. Those teams FLG and Rebels ( and Outlaws when the Rebels Directors were Outlaws Directors) always place D1 kids every year. 91 B and other big club B teams almost never do even though they have legit D1 players. So if a kid wants to go D1 or high level D3 he is better off going to FLG, Rebels etc. who have Directors with a history of placing kids at great schools rather that 91 B, Express B etc. who have a history of placing kids at schools people never heard of. This topic started with a 91 parent saying 2023 91B team has a bunch of D1 players. If they are smart they will go to FLG or Rebels. History is not kind to where legit D1 91 B team players go to college.

Hello. Quick question. My son is a 2024, so please humor me. He's going to be attending Showtime next summer but I wanted to get him used to the Showcase format. Are there any showcases that would be worthwhile to send my son as a 2024. Thanks.

There probably aren't any worthwhile showcases for 2024. Most colleges aren't looking at that graduation year yet. My son went to Showtime last year ('23), and was scheduled for this year but due to COVID, he will go next summer. Great experience but college coaches are there mostly for older groups. I would recommend waiting till next year after Showtime to dabble into other showcases.

My son used to play for Express. Two of his teammates were VERY good but could never get pulled up to the A team due to the political nonsense. They both ended up playing for other clubs. One got recruited to Maryland and the other is going to Denver.

Colleges aint look at anyone . Everything so F’*?k up at college level and recruiting now you will start seeing colleges get rid of the non revenue sports like lacrosse .

Doing the same with my '24. Not to catch the coaches eye but to get him used to the format. Due to schedule and location we landed on Apex Fall Showcase in October.

Look at NYIT! Not good!

That is the point everyone is trying to make. Had those players stayed on Express B they would not have played D1. The B teams from Express, Igloo and 91 all have D1 players but do not get the looks by top colleges. When a call does come in for one of them the club coach directs them to a kid on the top team.

Believe it some nuts parents out there . Believe it .

Anybody attend the UA All America tryout for the LI team yesterday?

yes, mostly 91 and express, some igloo. Same issue every year... kids were picked before heading to Jersey.

The great political spectacular! Just look at the coaches and you’ll be able to yell who made the team regardless of tryout performance. Framingdale kids just need to run up and down for show and they’ll make it. 91 Daddy coach is going to take care of his boys, and S2s director will make sure he’s represented so they can post that on the website.

Best players from the best teams - makes sense.

Igloo director asked to evaluate and No showed so as mad as I will be if our boys don’t get picked most of my anger will go to our leader Of course people will take care of their own Where was TA or coavhes well we know why one wasn’t asked because he’s embarrassing

1. So your son plays for igloo?
2. It’s ok for evaluators to self serve?
3. Or maybe, your just a troll from another club stirringly up again.

Igloo....They are done. TA cared about the 21s and 22s. the 2023 is decent. After that total train wreck. He just doesnt have the network to scale his business. He and Crommy should have put their names on more teams. Nobody does it as good as CoachC

Some of 91, igloo and express are the best. Yes without a doubt. But funny how some kids from some other Long Island clubs that are not igloo, express or 91 AA teams make Maverik showtime all star team ahead of those same 91, igloo and express kids that get picked for Nassau or Suffolk regional team and UA All American. Don’t fool yourself. Politics plays a big part in these teams selections on Long Island.

TA should of been there. Every club is invited to evaluate

Igloo definitely has been going downhill. Especially after their political games with coaching and selected players.

Cronyism. Option was there to pick better players/students in the past 4-5 years for '21-'23. It would have built the reputation in a different way. Chose to stick with friends and fill pocket from those who play the political game. At least six players from each age group shouldn't be on the team.

Cronyism. Option was there to pick better players/students in the past 4-5 years for '21-'23. It would have built the reputation in a different way. Chose to stick with friends and fill pocket from those who play the political game. At least six players from each age group shouldn't be on the team.[/quote]

I'll bet those 6 kids have super nice parents who don't spend their days on these boards.

Many of the 2023 kids that made UA are 2022 holdbacks. So lame. But their parents can brag about making UA even though they needed to hold little Johnny back to do it. None of those kids would have made it if they stayed at 2022. Its not fair to the 2023 kids that didn't make it because they are playing on age.

Are you really still talking about the holdback issue? The way the lax world works.

Holdbacks will happening more and more with big college roster sizes due to corona virus

As "bad" as it was before its gonna be real bad now. For the record I don't think its bad and families do their own thing but I can say I have spoke to at least 1/2 a dozen to a dozen lacrosse friends who will be reclassifying their kids due to covid. About 4 just did it and they are going to schools in Conn and Mass and another 1/2 dozen are starting the application process for next year and ALL will be reclassifying. Many others will be taking PG years. Taft on their instagram page is touting 3 new boys who are PGs who have already committed going to Duke, NC and Michigan. This is the new norm and these are boys who are clearly excellent and D1. So for all those who say it ain't fair - just like face masks - its going to be the new normal. Fair or not fair it is what it is and if a boy cant hang with another boy a year or so older then they shouldn't be seeking to playing the game at a high level (UA tryouts). BTW my kid goes to public school so not held back and not TAFT and I really hope my sons team never plays TAFT!

Agreed. You have to stop complaining about the holdbacks. The boys are in high school now and they are playing against older kids. The holdback issue is valid in 3rd & 4th grade. At this point, it is just whining.

I thought only the MD parents held their kids back? You FLIDs in on the act now too? Better not hear you whining on the sideline anymore - except in 3rd and 4th grade apparently.

My older son plays D1 at a top program. He’s actually young for his Grade and was a varsity high school starter As a freshman.I have to disagree with you. In high school you have a mix of mostly 17 and 16-year-olds and sometimes younger. At least there is some older kids On the high school team. When you go to Maryland and play kids that are a year older or from Canada who are sometimes two years older than your entire team it is frustrating. However it made my kid a better player and we never complained. The ones I feel bad for are the kids that would have beenBeen a division one player but the holdbacks or reclass kids took their spots.

Its funny how parents are so angry at that those celebrities who paid for there kids to get into college yet this stuff goes on in youth lacrosse. Hypocrites.

I feel badly for the kids at Taft who thought they would start/play this Spring only to learn 3 D1 commits are showing up. It's the nature of boarding schools but it's still a bummer to watch the PGs play from the bench.

My son reclassed this spring for non covid reasons as applications were due before any lockdowns were in place. I am not against or for reclassifying as kids do it for different reasons. My son for academic/ LD reasons others for athletic. Reality is he was shocked to find out this week there are multiple others in every grade who have reclassed and yes the Canadians are on grade but still as old or older. he is excited that there are 4 PG's on campus and 3-4 reclasses which will make the team better. he said no chance he makes varsity this season which is fine as he'll play much more on JV his freshman season. I was upset initially but he's fine with it so I have to be OK with all the reclasses. He just wants to play so who am I to judge.

Its so great when parents say they are reclassifying for academic reasons. How about drop the lacrosse for homework or tutoring. And Canadians start kindergarten at 5 years old just like the US so if they are the same age or older as your son then they are holdbacks as well. Probably have the same academic problems. How nice of some parents to keep paying to do the same private school grades over and over because of their kids learning disabilities.

So now w Covid, kids that have repeated early on are now going to PG too. So now my son who doesn't want to PG will need to compete against kids two years his age for College spots in a few years? When does this stop? Can they repeat twice and then PG too?

Showtime is a multi-day format which is much different than the single day showcases. Single day formats do not really allow the teams to get to know one another so players are bit more selfish with the ball or stand around waiting for the ball so he can make a dodge through multiple players. If you are prepping for Showtime then consider a multi-day prospect day which is more expensive but the kids develop a rapport with one another and play much better team ball. Not to exclude defensive players but slides happen more frequently and is just an all around better experience.

As long as the sport openly encourages holding back players, it's going to keep surging. "Top 10" 2022 list including DOB shows everyone how rigged it all is. One kid is older than a freshman I have in college. The myth of #1 ranked player "playing up for 2 years" is burst.

I mean you’re not really “playing up” 2 years if you are the same age as the kids on the team your are playing up on? Are you? Just another ego inflating thing parents tell themselves. I would expect any kid to look like a super star against kids 2 years younger than them. My senior in high school right now is a 4/04 birthday. September 02 is way old for a junior no matter how you slice it.

All true, but allow me to let you in on a little secret: not only do the the college coaches not care, they actually LOVE holdbacks. The #1 kid in 2021 is a massive holdback and should be in college rather than starting his junior year. And yet, per the story in IL, his phone exploded at midnight on 9/1. He will have his pick of any school in the country. The only ones who care about holdbacks are other parents....You really, really need to understand that.

It's a rigged game for families that can afford to have their kids repeat grades - with all the hype, am happy to see Ty Xanders finally beginning disclose age info. If these are high profile student athletes - how's that academic arrested development working?

There is actually nothing wrong with holdbacks. If someone wants to be 18 and a sophomore in HS, fine. But youth lacrosse should be organized by birth year, Hockey is a great example of how this can work. There, unless a kid is a Jack Eichel type phenom, the college coaches don't want him at 18 when he leaves HS. The large majority of freshman playing D1 hockey are 19-20 yo. For on age kids, the kids will play a year or two in juniors (or a top level 18U team) until they are ready.

Thus, club lacrosse should be age based through age 15. Starting at 16, there should be a junior system where the top 16-20 year olds not yet in college play - this should be a closed invite only league with only elite players. For every one else - it will continue age based through 18.

If he's a 2021 he would be starting his Senior year.

The double holdback is actually the #1 2021 kid. That kid should be starting his sophomore year in college. Instead he is a rising senior. Again, coaches don’t care. I was at 3d Blue Chip event years ago when several droned on about how they love holdbacks since they are bigger, stronger and more mature. I agree 100% that lax should be age based.

Lol. He’s got nothing on Millon. 2023 and turning 18 in the spring. And yes he’ll be 20 when he graduates high school.

That's some good information, wonder if that double holdback status will be taken into account in recruiting reports and college coach's evals.

No it wont and why should it. A college coach generally has an athlete for 4 or 5 years and if you can get an athlete with 2 years additional years of maturation and strength that is who they will pick. The Hockey analogy a few posts ago nailed it on the head. Unlike professional sports where a coach or team can spend a couple of years waiting for the athlete to mature or grow, a college coach doesn't have that option. A coach wanting bigger and faster makes perfect sense and it won't change. Signed, Public school parent whose son turns 18 in May of senior year.

Harvard just committed a 2022 rising junior goalie. The kid has a 2002 birthday which means he should be starting his freshman year in college. Let that sink in for people who think coaches care about birthdays or that there isn’t a huge upside to holding back your kid. Sad but undeniably true: CHEATING WORKS!

On the Harvard commit, chirps from the opposing attack during his senior year "hey can you buy us some beer after the game?" or "Is this 15th year of school going too fast for you?" or just segue into Good Will Hunting quips "Your folks just spent 150 grand on HS education you could have gotten for $1.50 in late fees at the public library"

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Hes not really going to be 18 in spring ? right? I'd believe 17 if he was a double hold back.

It will be taken into account when he is 30 years old going to his 1st job interview after he realized there is no money in lacrosse. So your 30 years old and spent 6 years in high school and 5 in college..... Great candidate to clean toilets.

Why does anyone think this kid or any of the other reclassed kids are looking at a lacrosse career. If anyone looks at the 2022 list of committed schools I would say its well worth it. Some of the schools include Duke, Virginia, Princeton, Cornell, Yale, Notre Dame, Harvard, etc . . .While it is true that not all the schools are for boys who reclassed the point is that reclass or not the top boys are going to excellent academic institutions and if they graduate from these schools and work hard then they are good to go. Also, I am sure a few will seek the "pro" route (and hopefully one day a lifestyle can be made for others not named Rabil and Parnell) it would seem that playing lax is working so far.

Your exactly right. They love doing 8th grade math and english so much their parents are going to fork over the 10k private school tuition again and again. Lets spend $20k in EXTRA private school tuition to go on top of the already 40k so our son can get 20-30k in lacrosse scholarships. Surely nobody is that dense so they must be holding back for the love of math, english, science etc.

I commend the parents that notice their kids have "LEARNING DISABILITIES" and step up to give their kids the help they need...Maybe they got the extra help, and did their homework, maybe their school district couldn't connect or didn't care. But to say give up on the sport, is wrong. Physical ability is just has important has mental.

Your talking about lacrosse in his forum,not football or basketball. If your kid is 6ft 9 or taller then physical may be just as important. If your kid can't pass grade 8 then cut out the lacrosse until schooling gets on track. Your not going to make a financial career out of lacrosse. Unless you want to keep paying your kids rent for the rest of his life.

Sorry, if parents want smaller class size, and can afford it...hold them back, and get the best education...whats the problem...you're not paying for it.

LOL. You forgot to say - hold them back and get the best education...... but get them to play lacrosse with kids their own age and not the kids they are in class with. People on this forum aren't notIntelligent. Talent plays up with older kids to get better and lost parents hold their lost kids back to beat up on younger kids to inflate their own egos primarily and then to brag to their friends that little johnny scores 4 goals a game. Whats next, gender reassignment in 8th grade for boys so they can play with the girls that are 2 years younger?

Yeah. Life is not fair as we know. But it still stinks for your kid to not start or get cut because johnny repeated a grade or heldback. Why have age cutoffs if we are going to disregard them. Because my kid can't compete I should repeat and take opportunities from a younger kid? At the youth level it matters. High school is gloves off. But the holdback already stole 8 or 9 years of opportunities from other kids by the time 9th grade comes in lacrosse

If you can get your kid into an IVY or Duke, ND, UVA, Hop, etc. you have given them a path to change their life trajectory. That's what this is about. Not scholarship money. BTW, all of the above school are very generous with need based grants.

If holding back helps your chances then the ends justify the means. I get it's not fair because holding back isn't an option for some. Consider a PG. Most prep schools will offer free ride

Hockey does it right........travel hockey is grouped by birth year; you are born in 2008 you play with and against 08's whether you are in 7th grade or 5th.
The problem w/lacrosse being by grade is the 'cutoff' is different in every state and then the so called gray months become different as well. MD is Sept 1, so anyone born in the summer can choose to be the oldest in the class or go early and be the youngest. Long Island is Dec 1st, so their gray months become Sept, Oct and Nov. Irregardless when we give parents the option and age doesn't matter but rather grade, we will always get 12 year olds playing against 14 year olds.
HS kids should be graduating at 17/18, not 19, but if they allow it then parents will do it for any edge. It's the nature of the beast and we can complain all we want, but it's never going to change. FYI college coaches get you for 4 years, they would rather have you at 20, 21, 22 and 23, than 18, 19, 20 and 21.

Are we still arguing about this? Our boys are sophomores. They all understand the way the game is played. Most of our kids will just have to work harder to keep up with older kids on same grade club teams. If they don't become a famous lacrosse player but they learn ethics of hard work and teamwork they will be OK in life.

Nope. Kid is from Ohio where Sept 1 is school cutoff day for starting school. He should be one of the older 21s. If repeating 9th grade a Culver would land my kid at Harvard and I could pay for all that, yeah I do it and so would you. detest on the kid or his parents for reclassing but don't make stuff up. Whomever posted that M kid turning 18 is also posting false info. He'll be 17 and yes he reclassed. Exaggerating weakens your argument.

Let's change the topic....Which clubs are going to September Shootout this weekend, and are college recruiters?

All showcases, tourneys and recruitment events are coach/recruiter-free. Everything is done by video. So go buy a camera and start getting film on your kids, or purchase the game film if there is one available. There will be no in-person recruiting until Jan. 1 (at the earliest). Most, if not all, schools are focused on 2022's until they fill their rosters, which will take them into the new year. 23's are on the back burner until the 2021 summer and fall tourneys. What we should be doing at this point is getting film and a highlight reel together. We need to contact coaches of schools that our son's are interested in, relay that interest in their school and program, and inquire about their prospect camps. And, make sure our boys are hitting the gym and the books. That's how recruiting works these days if you're ranked outside the top 50.

If your kid is good enough to get into one of those ivy league schools to play lacrosse then there is no need to hold them back. What are they going to do when they are off to college and daddy isn't there to cheat for them? Probably fail.

Probably not. Older and more mature. Probably succeed with little difficulty.

My guess is they are hanging out at high school party's with duke lacrosse jackets on.

This conversation is so dense. If you move out of NY most of the kids are older because school starts in Aug and quite a few of the kids do not start K when they should so they are naturally older. It's been proven time and time again that collage coaches want older kids on campus so again pointless argument.

I get it it's not right that some are able to do it but most 17 year old kids have difficulty adapting to school at that level so if you have the means why not give them the best chance to succeed. You really believe the people doing this and going to those schools are thinking (PLL or BUST) come on people. We get it it's not for you but most of these parents had a plan in mind and it had nothing to do with their kids turning pro in Lax. I know it stings to see the commits form the kids you know are older and think man if my son had a year more he could have been that kid. Well you have the choice spend the money and hold him/her back.

Next topic

Holdbacks and reclassed kids - have fun graduating college at 25 years old. with

This is the reason lacrosse will not grow beyond a certain point and can only flourish so much. The rich/poor divide will never allow the sport to rise in popularity to the level of football, basketball and soccer. If holdbacks are the way to succeed and you need money to holdback/post-grad a kid then you are cutting out a ton of the population. There is no reason lax needs to be a country club sport.

Every HS sport has holdbacks....all for same reason...BETTER CHANCE AT A SCHOLORSHIP...it just that simple.

Maybe if you weren't held back you would know how to spell SCHOLARSHIP

Nope. It's the cost of equipment, club teams, tournaments & recruiting events. The soccer club system also excludes poor kids. I agree that lacrosse should be by age until high school. But looky here our boys are in HS and still people blather on about this. If your kid is a top D1 talent he'll get found regardless of age/club/school. If he's on the margins maybe just pick a D3 that fits his academics and he'll get to actually play. Or go to a big football school and play MCLA

Equipment is not expensive, club dues get compensated, its the parents like you that create the divide. I honestly have no idea what MCLA is, but I know my son loves lax and none of his friends have ever played as they see it as a rich white kids sport.

Lacrosse .... where rich parents screw over poor kids.

You are spot on. $3000 club fees, $500 showcase fees, $35,000 to PG, and clubs convincing kids they can't succeed without them. The bar has been raised to benefit the rich and 99% white kids. The underprivileged don't even try anymore and that's showing up on LI big time. 7 of the top 10 boys in the class of 2021 are private school kids, schools that cost $25,000 plus. How is that possible? How does it happen in any sports that 7 of the top 10 players are rich and white?

Can anyone give any advice on these Fall showcases for the 2023s? Is there any value in attending if college coaches aren't there? Thinking about signing my son up for one but these things are $500 and take up a whole day. Other than "getting used to the experience" is there any point as far as recruiting?

No, its a waste of money at this age group unless you are going to a showcase for a specific college.

Im not sure that anyone is looking at 2023's, but getting used to the experience is not a bad idea. It's also a great way to get film for his highlight reel that you'll need to send to coaches in the spring and summer. Get as much film as you possible can just in case the dead period extends again.

It's hilarious to see to see the expressions on some of these "Beachie Type, Karen Moms" when they walk on a field and see a team made up of majority of black kids. I wish there was more diversity...

Huh??? Not sure where you were trying to go with this, but it seems your point may have been lost.

This is the definition of white privilege and systematic racism. Rich white parents gaming a system that ultimately takes opportunities away from the underprivileged.

Not quite lost. I am a minority and my kids play the sport and there is no racism that I have ever encountered. I've actually been given more opportunities than my friends kids.

I'd love to see a HBO sports or something like that about the white privilege lacrosse holdback system and how the other sports all go by year. Where and how it started and how people justify it. "I'm giving my son a better chance to get a college scholarship!". How about get your son to work harder like everyone else before you go the lori loughlin route.

The difference is that what Lori Loughlin did was illegal. Some may question the ethics of the "holdback" but no law against it.

As if black kids don't (1) get held back and (2) get scholarship money from private schools. This has zero to do with racism (pretend "systemic" or otherwise) and everything to do with what sports are popular with different kids in different areas. Is it "systemic racism" that gets great black basketball players recruited by top end prep schools in greater numbers than white kids?

Around here there are many black kids who grew up in the area where lacrosse is seen as "cool". Those kids play and are given every opportunity (plus some extras ones with programs meant to "grow the game").

Age based youth lacrosse and holdbacks need not be thought of as mutually exclusive. I don't care what grade in school a kid is, or when he or she plans on graduating HS and/or entering college, so long as they play in youth events against kids their own age. College hockey at the D1 level, for instance, has mostly "older" student athletes, yet hockey at the youth level is competed on a BY basis.

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This is played out

Played out is an under statement! If parents elect to hold their kids back in order to get a leg up in the lax recruiting circuit, more power to them. But leave the "dead horse" alone in it's grave, beating it any further will not change a thing. I've always said, lax parents an odd bunch

What is going on with Under Armor on Oct 17/18. Does anyone know how they are doing this? Do i have it right that all regions except us have played?

You are wrong. The reason lacrosse will never be more than a "country club sport" as you put it is there are no full scholarships. Most parents won't go in 100% for all the travel and club fees because a Football, Basketball player can get a full scholarship vs a few grand on average. On top of that there is the potential for careers on the sport as well as hockey so how is a sport with no financial future directly tied to play cutting out a ton of the population when they can play other sports and get free college if they are good enough.

The North regional will be played right there at the Final tourn before

The reason lacrosse is a "country club sport" beside the lack of scholarships is that in the pal or towns team like football, most towns, you're given all the equipment to play when you sign up for a reasonable price. And travel cost 3K - 4K . Lacrosse, you have to supply the helmet, stick, the shoulder pads, elbow pads and any other equipment you need...HS gives you the helmet and a uniform. When my son started to play, there were only a few spots around me where I could get the equipment...now at least you can get starter at Dicks, even some Walmarts.

The game must be grown to lower the cost of initiation agreed. Have to support those who are growing this great game.

RE: UA. So we play two games on Saturday morning to decide the North winner and then winner moves on later on Saturday to play South East and West the same day? So strange, so 2020

No one cares!

yeah, also they probably picked the kids through fake video submissions.

Grouchy - my son did not make it either

Tryouts this year were sham. 6-8 teams to evaluate. 30 guys on each team. just thrown together for games. no evaluations drills. head spinning...

Did the undisputed boys showcase take place this year?

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Has any coach given any real feedback regarding the Fall tourneys, showcases, etc . . My sons coach has said they they will have zero impact since coaches cant attend. Curious what others have been told.

Any non-campus showcase is normally shaky. Now without coaches? A social media hype bubble.

My son's team is going down to Maryland for a recruiting tournament that's useless. More $$ to fork out during covid.

Turtles look great !!

dense Meanyfocus on your own team and stop trying to find ways to make your soap opera life interesting

What LI teams are going down to Maryland tournaments?

The truth is that only D1 schools are not attending showcases in person, D2 and D3 are, so maybe not such a waste of time. Also the tournaments and showcases get you more opportunities for game film, which may be important for reaching out to D1 coaches. Also, if your kid is seriously considering college lacrosse, why would they ever want to turn down an opportunity to play.

You forgot to mention the additional costs of hotel, eating out, gas, and most importantly it's going to be Virtual. I'm sure your kid is going to get a call from all the top D1 schools as a 10th grader.

1% is this weekend. Any feedback from prior attendees ?

This was the first year.

I think it is about getting game film which you should use to create a highlight reel to send to college coaches going into the summer.

Yeah, I can't wait to go down to Maryland to get some game film. Coach is clueless.

Just my 2 cents as a 2022 parent in recruitment...

The Fall 2020 film for a 2023 recruit will not matter. College coaches won’t care about this film since it’ll be a year old once you enter recruitment. The coaches will go off of summer 2020 Under Armour Underclass attendees, their future camp/clinic attendees once the dead period is lifted and top club rosters to build their initial 2023 lists. And of course watching them play live whenever that will be able to occur again. For the 2022 class they did build these initial lists when they watched them live during the Fall of 2019 but these lists changed significantly by the time Sept came. They don’t ever look back at this old Fall film a year later. And who even knows what the recruit landscape will look like Sept 2021 if the current dead period continues into winter 2021 and if the spring 21 college season is altered. They will grant another year to current College players and even current 21 & 22 commits will be competing for spots and scholarship money. It’s been a very unusual recruiting season for the 22’s and I can’t imagine how it will be like for the 23’s. The biggest determining factor for the 2022 class commits has been the relationship your club recruiting Director or high school coach has with the individual college coaches. And of course where you stand with your club recruiting director or high school coach. Choose your club and high school very carefully.

Don't disagree except for narrowing it down to UA. I think coaches are moving away from the event and moving towards Main Stage and Juniors Open. These events from 2020 had a massive impact for big time recruits in the 2022 class. I think these events in 2021 will be big for 2023.

Word is that coaches are really still focusing on 2021's. Then they still need to get to the bulk of the 2022's. Late summer and Fall 2021 will be key for 2023, not much until then. This virus has not been kind to these 3 recruiting classes.

It looks some fall cancellations or adjustments are slowly being made and COVID is about to wreck havoc on October /November lax. Just received email re the ID experience and bc Maryland just added to travel ban from NY they are trying to find a way to move things. Oye, the fun is about to begin bc folks wont wear masks!

Wearing a mask is so easy, why not just do it? Too many macho men and women. Sad because we are screwing our own kids.

Was that email from the IL ID folks and was it just to NY invitees? We are coming from PA and have not seen that email. I wouldn't be surprised as they had to move the UA games...

Good question. Don't know. We are from NY though so maybe that's the case.

Comments are not wholly incorrect but I think you are wrong that UA is the primary venue for D1 coaches given how poorly it has been run recently. I also think your wrong about granting another year of eligibility. I believe the NCAA has come to regret this decision and would unwind if they could. It has caused great consternation from coaches as they have bloated rosters. Coaches have a rhythm to recruiting and this has thrown things off. For a few programs it is a boon but it will bite some of them in the _ss because they may not get that stud freshman if he knows he has some uncertainty or has to wait another year to start. Film is a good thing and even if you have to update or give new film in the summer, it is a way of getting onto these college coaches depth chart without having been the stud player where not every college coach is marking his calendar for when your tournament is. One thing for sure is recruiting is changing and the past is not a predictor of the future.

Nothing that I have seen, would think it's too late to make a change now. So what happens, NYers need to decide if this is worth quarantining for 14 days when they get back or get a COVID test to clear themselves?

NY ers can stay in Pennsylvania

2023 turtles still around ? Thats the oldest team in the program is the director setting them up ?? He has a-lot of juice hahhahah.

We're going to the Jersey NXT recruiting event. Is it a waste of time?

It depends on what is a waste of time to you. No coaches watching. Playing for the film. Like the above post. They are still filling out the 2021 spots and 2022.

Total waste of money and time. Most teams are playing each other locally and filming the event for their kids recruiting sites. What club is going to NXT?

Turtles

Are the Turtles still up and running, are they worth looking into? Son plays LSM, didn't play travel last year, but plays on an average high school team. Don't see them listed on tourney machine.

Perfect set up for the turtle basher. Here we go let the childish bashing begin

How about look on there website and email them . Simple .

What showcase was this weekend?

Now do you find individual showcases and is there any coming up?

Saw S2S played in Md. Is playing 3 games considered passing through in course if travel? Do they need to quarantine? Nice win vs Crabs btw.

Covid is a witch and can't survive in the rain. So they are good!

Lacrosse tournaments are not considered passing through, but you already knew that.

I wouldn't put too much into a 1 goal victory in fall ball. Lots of teams haven't practiced much and many players are busy with football.

Call them for your son. I'm sure they can use him. I don't think they've beaten any A teams from LI.

Even the Governors imposed the quarantine requirements are admitting no one is really following them. It's just so they can say they are "doing something".

NY teams were in MD for less than 24 hours- It was a 1 day tourney.

I did, the director said they are in need of a big LSM. Have a private tryout coming up.

Knew this guy would post something.... LOL

on hold because of covid

Yeah, and then S to S got destroyed the last game Dad! B+ team, will never be the Bandits no matter how much money the parents have!

Almost as simple as spelling "their" correctly

Is the LI elite Igloo tournament still on this weekend, heard teams are dropping out.

Nothing elite about igloo

Yes. Igloo is in it.

Nope just igloo - guest players not able to show up

they just changed there name so it doesn't effect there ranking as #3.
plus the no parents allowed is even better. its a public park, how can they keep people out?

What teams are playing in the 10th grade division?

While I realize Igloo is not in Connecticut, Connecticut just listed Lacrosse as a High risk sport. Just received email from my sons coach that after this weekend the rest of fall is cancelled for his team. The "you know what" is about to hit the fan. My concern level for a real spring just elevated a bit.

Don’t worry. Once biden takes over COVID will be gone.

Good. A new president and covid gone. great news!

What are you talking about? Trump already said many times that COVID-19 did NOT exist.

Igloo mixed nutz.

Where has the Turtles been ? They use to get alot of talk on here . They still exist?

Who? Distant memory of the team from many years ago. They're trying to ride on the coat tails of yesteryear.

Guy just answered his own question

No i didnt Guy

With tourneys being cancelled and travel getting harder can someone explain to me why we cant have (and never have had) a local tourney with Express LI (#18), 91 (#1), PT (#9), 2Way (#20), Eclipse (#16), Preds, Igloo (#3), Shore2Shore (#7), possibly even BBL (#21), Leading Edge or a cpl of other teams from NJ or even Upstate Sweetlax, Orange Crush. Call it the Tristate championships or something. I imagine its only bc PT or Express don't want to lose and then the other team has "bragging" rights. BTW, before someone says I am missing a great team or have rankings screwed up. I went by US Club Lax rankings.

Boring post

wouldn't that be the NLF event in NJ in a couple of weeks?

HUH, maybe its my failure to note or understand sarcasm?

Is the NXT in NJ still going on this weekend.

Email them.

Don't know about this weekend but the event in Philly in 2 weeks is still on as of today.

Is that the Dominion tournament? I hear there's a lot of late entries looking to steal a win.

What match ups do you like in Jersey this weekend?

I've heard a lot about Twenty4 with their amazing coaching. Can't wait to see how developed the players will be.

cancelled

Democrat

They are absolutely terrible

Sorry folks PA just came down new quarantine restrictions . Pa done need to be tested once you get there within 48 hours if not quarantine for two weeks . New yorkers

They are exactly where they belong. Parent looking for greener pastures...Now blame yourself, not the coach who coached your kid the prior season, or the other kid that once played on the opposite side of your son. Our team is better off now, without certain parent complaining to the coach, his kid doesn't touch the ball enough. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya!

Too bad the teams aren't matched up together. You are better off playing B teams. You might actually win a game.

We played them last weekend, it was a very difficult afternoon for them, from top to bottom. It didn't look as though the coach was close to having a cohesive group of kids out on the field. At this stage of the game, bad teams will remain at the bottom, middle of the road teams will be just that, and the the top tier teams will remain on top.

This grade is getting hosed the worst. Likely missing 2 seasons of high school lax. Need that vax ASAP.

2022’s also

Everyone else is missing lax also. No college coaches are looking at this grade anyway.

Lacrosse scholarships will be thing of the past . Non revenue sports . Football and b-ball carry all other sports and colleges not making money like they use too.

Not even talking about recruiting. High school lax some of the best years

Much better coaching at Twenty4. Fact.

Glorified PAL team

Parents detest seeing post like these !!

One less parent chewing on our coaches ear about his son not getting enough touches. Fact

One less parent chewing on our coaches ear about his son not getting enough touches. Fact[/quote]

Yeah one less parent chewing, but replaced with 22’s. Please explain to me how that helps?? Yes, exactly. No response. What a joke.

Yeah one less parent chewing, but replaced with 22’s. Please explain to me how that helps?? Yes, exactly. No response. What a joke.[/quote]

2017 is the last time the organization glued anything substantial to their web site in regards to kids being recruited to any schools worth being in awe of.

Just reclass your kid....that way he can be a 17 year old 10th grader like the top 23's now...

Some will be 18 during their Soph year. Ridiculous

Yeah when IL published the birth dates of their Top 10 HS players, it was depressing. Think 1 kid was on-age, 6 holdbacks, and 2 double holdbacks.

The best part is when people argue it all even's out in HS. No one needs there HS team to get recruited, so your 17 yr 10th grader is better than my 15 yr old that's great. Has to be embarrassing being a 20 year old HS student...

Did Spallina reclass again for the second time?

IMG Fla. showcase, will we see anyone from LI?

No

Many of us

Coaches are over the top but very good

Never heard of 24 lacrosse. Who coaches them? Are they anyone in the world of lax?

Last time I saw 24 lacrosse they had the owner of Team Long Island on their sideline. Did Team LI merge with 24 or did they go under ?

I have not seen them anywhere. Are they some pick-up or knock-off, a team that formed from another failed club? And who coaches them?

watch LSN right now...5 star all star game

They are exactly where they belong. Parent looking for greener pastures...Now blame yourself, not the coach who coached your kid the prior season, or the other kid that once played on the opposite side of your son. Our team is better off now, without certain parent complaining to the coach, his kid doesn't touch the ball enough. See ya, wouldn't want to be ya![/quote]
Much better coaching at Twenty4. Fact.[/quote]

Coaches are over the top but very good[/quote]

Never heard of 24 lacrosse. Who coaches them? Are they anyone in the world of lax?[/quote]

I heard the top kids from Turtles went to 24.

24 lacrosse is irrelevant in the travel lacrosse world. Look elsewhere.

False news

They've got some of the best talent on LI.

Clearly a troll because there is just zero logic anywhere present in this comment

Much better coaching at Twenty4. Fact.[/quote]

Coaches are over the top but very good[/quote]

Never heard of 24 lacrosse. Who coaches them? Are they anyone in the world of lax?[/quote]

I heard the top kids from Turtles went to 24.[/quote]

That's great. In fact, the team has been so much better since they went over to 24. It really comes down to one, and you can't even blame the kid. But the whining dad (they won't pass the ball to my son) no longer has direct access to distract our coach. good luck, some else's headache NOW!

Best talent on LI is comical..

I don’t know why anyone would let their defender son play for a team that only plays zone. Kids aren’t learning much. Also, they stack the team with 22’s when the competition is over their heads. I never understood that.

listening to the lax sports network coverage of the Five Star Showcase All Star game and them praising kids for playing up.....LOL....ironic since the kid they were praising is reclassed and technically playing down in their All-Star game.

24 who? And yes 2022's do play a n that team because my kid is 2022 and they wanted him!

That was one of the most ludicrous statements about that particular player I've ever heard. I'm sure Mark send them all the talking points, and the Maryland folks just repeat like its fact. Actually sad

Its comical and sad...the old man acts like a tough guy and than reclasses his kid.

Spallina, and all the others in prominant lacrosse positions do the same.

Kids a great player I'm sure. The old mans Ego is off the charts. Can you imagine calling Cottle and saying, hey make sure you mention me and my wife during the broadcast, I attached a picture of me playing 100 years ago. but its all about the kid.

Saw him play up close and he's terrific, even at the 2022 level and at the HS level, I just think its a joke that they purposely call out playing up...no additional hype needed and it discredits any true Sophomore that is playing up.

Off topic but does anyone know of any good winter showcases to attend? Preferably in the Tri-State area but anywhere at this point as it seems like there is nothing out there. Thanks

Look into traveling out of state—places like Fla, NC, etc.

There is a NY Showcase in January on Long Island

S did the same thing with his kid. Oh, he's playing up ... blah blah blah. No, he's a holdback. The newspapers all bought into the garbage and the kid sets records as a "freshman" being up to 18 months older than other freshman. And, I have to say the kid is an amazing player and would still be without Daddy's shenanigans. That's the true shame of it.

This board loves to rail at the unathletic parents "who never played a sport in their life" pushing their kids but completely misses the glaring one who played D 2, was too small to be successful, and pushes their kids to make up for their own deficiencies, holding them back because they're small too ...

Oh, it was a learning disability ... yeah. Sure.

Kids a great player I'm sure. The old mans Ego is off the charts. Can you imagine calling Cottle and saying, hey make sure you mention me and my wife during the broadcast, I attached a picture of me playing 100 years ago. but its all about the kid.[/quo

S did the same thing with his kid. Oh, he's playing up ... blah blah blah. No, he's a holdback. The newspapers all bought into the garbage and the kid sets records as a "freshman" being up to 18 months older than other freshman. And, I have to say the kid is an amazing player and would still be without Daddy's shenanigans. That's the true shame of it.

This board loves to rail at the unathletic parents "who never played a sport in their life" pushing their kids but completely misses the glaring one who played D 2, was too small to be successful, and pushes their kids to make up for their own deficiencies, holding them back because they're small too ...

Actually thought the same but JS did play up. He played 2020 as a 2022 he played up one year What MM did was reclass from 22 to 23 kept playing 22 and saying he was playing up. Having a son who is a 21 and knowing most of kids the LIE 23 team is almost all should be 22's Better get used to it with Covid and college players getting years of eligibility back doesn't make much sense sending kids away at 18 playing against 24 year olds. Oldest son is in college and they are hearing they may be getting this year back eligibility wise

Coaches are over the top but very good[/quote]

Never heard of 24 lacrosse. Who coaches them? Are they anyone in the world of lax?[/quote]

I heard the top kids from Turtles went to 24.[/quote]





That's great. In fact, the team has been so much better since they went over to 24. It really comes down to one, and you can't even blame the kid. But the whining dad (they won't pass the ball to my son) no longer has direct access to distract our coach. good luck, some else's headache NOW![/quote]


Turtles/24 same thing Good B teams

This is extremely unfair and uncalled for not every player is an A player

Interested to see if people think the dead period will be lifted by the summer Or will all the recruiting be same as this year there are so many showcases popping up and it’s very confusing

All Money grabs

New US Club Lax Rankings: Long Island Ranked Teams
1) 91 Bandits
8) Express
9) Igloo
16) S2S
23) 91 Warriors
25) Rebels
55) Legacy

Lacrosse Rankings has them
1. 91 Bandits- Added a few 22's, Consensus #1 rankings
4. Igloo- They just won't go away-A+ for survival skills
8. Shore 2 Shore- Continues to rack up impressive wins
10. LI Express Haugen- An injury challenged fall

Pretty good for a few "B" teams.

You missed the point. The young man is only a 2022 because he's a holdback. He should be 2021. He did play up at 2020 but he has an earlier birthday so it wasn't as huge a stretch as you'd think. Again, great player and he probably could have done it all on his own without looking like a cheater. Definitely his dad's fault and not his own.

Where did the other LI teams land on this list.

FLG rank # 968
Express B rank #720
Turtles rank # 1020
True Blue rank # 1230

Only to the club owners should these rankings matter. Nonetheless, the last two teams with a ranking of plus 1K, are they really that untalented at this grade level?

Think it will be partially lifted but it is too early to tell

These rankings mean zero actually less than zero with there not being a legit tournament circuit in over a year

Rankings aside who is best amongst
Igloo express S2S

Nobody cares except for you. Your kid doesn't even care.

Rankings aside who is best amongst
Igloo express S2S

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ill play along I'm bored tonight. My son does not play on any of these teams. My opinion is Express for sure is better then both and I think if S2S and Igloo play 10 times it would be an even split maybe giving a slight edge to Igloo. Hope you all have a Happy and Healthy New Year hopefully all our boys will have a HS season, be well....

Igloo definitely better. The crazy thing is, I couldn’t tell you the name of one kid on that team.

Anyone see True Blue in the last three years? Where did they drop off to?

Something not so crazy, I bet you not one kid on that team cares. Fact

I think the team folded.

Played them this summer, was a pretty good team.

Still around. Non Massapequa kids leave after riding the bench but they have kept the core and are still good.

Did they get rid of that loud mouth donk coach JC

Apparently you do not have an Instagram account. The kids care and the daddy coaches are even thirstier.

JC is doing a great job getting all the TB and Pequa kids over to Adelphi.

Isn’t that a girl school? Like if you want to be a nurse?

Adelphi a nursing/girl school ? Ok Big Shot . Sounds like some mommy issues.

Haha, hilarious Mr. Anonymous! Tell us what college you went to. Top 25 D1 I'm sure.

He's the biggest lost in the industry.

Biggest Boss is the industry

You took the time to post, next time try to make some sense!

Yes, actually. And I’m not a Nurse.

Nah, you're just a misogynist

Misogynist with mommy issues.

Prequalified kids aren’t smart enough for Nursing school. And no real man would want to go there (unless there is no other choice).

Mommy issues? Why would you say that? Projecting?

Still not buying the nursing route as part of a post lax career path! There has to be something else a little more manly than that.

Will there be Spring showcases now that there will be a HS season?

The showcases have not stopped.

Just wondering if I could get some feedback from people in the recruiting process. Are these “showcases” a waste of time for 9th graders (2024). Thanks

Pre Covid it was not a waste of time. I don’t think anyone is sure of what is happening now. Like anything else there are good showcases and not so good. The best are Maverik Showtime, Blackcard, Philly Showcase and elite 100. Also a must is the regional tryouts which is not good unless the player making the top 50 player game which will attract all coaches. Under armor tryout good too even if kid does not make the team. Also target schools Direct. Some of these you need an invite and they fill a year in advance. Hope this helps.

Showcases are a waste of time for freshman even before Covid. Under normal circumstances, players begin to ramp things up in the fall of sophomore year by doing 1-2 showcases and a couple prospects days for his top schools. Unfortunately, Fall is very condensed with a few prospect day showcases through September and October. November is pretty much dedicated to team tournaments. Spring of sophomore year is about reaching out or following up on your initial emails expressing interest in the school by sending video (if not already sent) and grades through mid-year of sophomore year. Things really heat up after Memorial Day of sophomore year and are on fire through the summer. The hope is there is some interest on September 1 but, even if your top schools do not contact you, recruiting is very active through fall of junior year. By December, if your top choices in D1 don't express interest, you can pivot to some excellent D3 programs. It is not to say you take D1 off the radar but academics should trump anything. There are a ton of really good lacrosse at the D3 level. With Covid, push everything out about six months or more.

The earlier a kid gets on coaches radar the better. College coaches will contact club directors during freshman and sophomore years for info and to show interest. Everyone has different experience of when they first get contacted. Those that are contacted earlier have great success. Don’t wait until it is too late.

This phrase is over used but if your kid is really good they will find him!

Thanks for all the info. My next question. For a showcase say for 2025 and 2024, are the coaches just showing up to get paid? Or are they really looking for kids to keep their eye on? Thanks

LAME quote.

If your money is really good they will find it too!

It depends on the showcases and coaches. I can tell you for sure Maverick Showtime, NXT Philly Showcase, Elite 100, Black Card, and Long Island regional top 40 game the coaches are watching and want players from those events. Less so for elite 100 but but that one anyone could get into. It is tough getting in the others. The better the talent the more they are watching. Kids should be writing emails to all college coaches they’re interested in attending their schools and give their club schedule and a video. When going to a showcase kid should email all coaches of Schools the kid is interested and telling them the kid will be there. There are many showcases that talent is so bad the coaches will not watch but will attend. So be careful which showcases you pay for your kid to attend.

So are items like 5-star, apex60 and players series a waste of time?

How is Apex 360 and Players Series????

I agree with you. I would also say the UnD1sputed Showcase is a reputable event that attracts talented players and top notch coaches.

And coaches are not ‘actively’ recruiting the 24/25 grads but it’s certainly a great way to get on their radar.

They are good, just understand what you are getting with those, they are big time showcases that truly provide for the elite players, my son was in the. middle of the back and ended up committing but he was a little out of his comfort-zone at those his first year going! Great experience though and incredible coaching!

Is FLG doing the Regional tournament this year?

yes, but suffolk tryouts have not been announced yet

When and where are the Nassau ?

Nassau - when is TBD and where is typically Syosset HS

i hope this happens... My son went as a rising Freshmen in 2019.. he had a great experience..

How is the BOTC list of top sophomores determined?

For the most part, your son must play for Igloo, Express or 91....Most of these players have yet to play a HS game... Its similar to the so called tryouts for Warrior games. I agree with a lot of the players on the list, but some are only on there because of club affiliation. Looking forward to seeing these kids play in the Spring

S2S as well. 35 of the 50 are spot on but even then, the order is messed up, they shouldn’t have tried to rank them. Funny thing is if you’ve got a kid on one of those four clubs and he’s not on this list, now you know exactly where your son stands in the director’s eyes. Also, it’s impressive how great all the coach’s kids are.

So did mine...loved it

What does that mean for the kids that are not on those four clubs and dad isn't the coach?

Yes, but who is it that makes up the list.

Good question who actually puts the list together?

It means their club or HS coach recommended them. There is not some great evaluation process going on here.

My kid was moved up to varsity last year in 9th grade, can't wait to see how good the team will be. Big achievement for him.

I wouldn’t blow to hard about my 9th grader playing varsity! Weather he is big for his age or highly skilled he is still a 9th grader. Keep pushing and you might not like the result!

Well, he'll get a four-year varsity letter for college.

Yeah, unless he gets picked on by the older kids or cracks from the pressure, then he'll be sleeping in his lettermans jacked on the streets of Portland with a nasty drug habit! Way to parent tuff guy!

What happened to the Express 2023 team? I thought they were good. Not one of the kids named top 50 came from the Express team.

Actually quite a few Express 23s on the list, not sure what you're looking at. Also does anyone know how the LI Lax journal top 22s were ranked? Fairly accurate but never heard of a top 5 player.

At least nine Express 23s are on the list.

Well that’s not very polite!

Don’t worry or pay any attention to these lists. My older son did not play at one of the big three lacrosse clubs and does not come from a traditional lacrosse high school. On September 1 of his junior year he had over 20 calls from Division I coaches some of them top 10 and 20 programs. Because he did not play on the best club teams like Express, Igloo and 91 and does not come from a traditional lacrosse high school his name was never submitted to be placed on any of those list. However he was offered spots ahead of most of those kids on those list for top D1 programs. He had many choices before he committed. My advice is just get your kids seen at top showcases and be a stand out at any tournament he attends and the coaches will find him. Trust me the coaches don’t care or look at those lists. Playing for Express, igloo or 91 will definitely get each one of those kids looks from every single Division I coach and assistant coaches but the colleges will make offers to the best players no matter what list they are on or whichever club they play for.

I agree, however the list do matter to the kids. They talk about it and brag about it. In the end,your 100% correct that the College coaches only care about how good you are. Its all about being seen at the tournaments and showcases.

Agree, these lists are 90% ego (clubs, kids, HS). Since you have been there can you shed some light on 1. How do you get invited to those showcases without being in a top club? 2. What kind of indications did you get from these schools before Sept. 1st? 3. What were his grades like? That alone can be the game-changer. TIA

Not the original poster but my older guy played on a top club and they got him in. all the top showcases have kids from all over not just the top club Have your club/HS coach make the call. Highlight film is always good. Between both club and HS coach they should be able to recommend the appropriate showcases based on your sons level. Black card, Maverick and D1 showcase by CB Laxers are all very good. There are so many.
Also prospect days are important. Before you go to a prospect day, make sure you fill out the online questionnaire from the school and follow up with emails and Video Your son should be sending the emails not the parent. Make sure you include GPA and anything else related to grades such national honor society. Or honor roll etc. they care very much about grades. Include why you want to attend the school. Do not put because of lacrosse. Talk about what you want in your future/ career.
Good luck and stay positive. Don’t let him get discouraged if he does not hear back from his first or second choice. Have multiple schools to choose from.

Since my son did not play for a top HS/club he had both those coaches call and recommend him to the top showcases. Can also use a video. Grades were important but if the grades are not awful he will able to get in to a good school if he is high enough on a coaches list. Believe it or not the the Patriot league cares more about grades than most of the Ivy League. Don’t leave out any school. I was shocked with the schools that called my son. Never dreamed it was possible. The advice above is great. I agree with all of it. My son did not put as much info in the emails as the person who replied did. Just gave his schedule, attached a video to every email and said he was interested in playing for that school. Always left his email and cell number in each email to coaches. Send emails through sports recruits. Well worth the money. Fill out entire profile in sports recruits. Always fill out all colleges of interest or may have interest questionnaires. Do it now and update with each new video. Video is most important. Try to get good competition in the video as the coaches are not fooled. They can tell how good the competition is in a video. Only top plays on video. If you are debating whether a clip should go into the video it probably should not. Best plays first. Show grit , speed, and IQ. Being an athlete in the video is important. Recommend showcases: Maverik Showtime, Philly Showcase and Blackcard are the best invite showcases. Need to start trying to get in 10 months in advance. I heard lacrosse masters is good but my son never attended any of those. I don’t think you need an invite. Best anyone can get in showcases are Elite 100 and the regional tryouts run by FLG. Every coach was at the top 50 game. The actual tournament did not draw as many coaches as the Nassau / Suffolk tryouts. It is a must to sign up for that. Beware selections are all political and not based on talent but the colleges know that. Any other questions just ask.

Best thread in some time...

I would also recommend Under Armour.

When are the tryouts this year?

How are the Apex showcases???

My son attended an Apex event in the fall, very organized, good training and games. There was a lot of positive feedback from the parents on the sidelines. Obviously, as with every other showcase this past year, there were no D1 coaches in attendance, but their film was good quality, and I imagine that the D1 coaches will start to come out of the woodwork in June when they are permitted.

I would also add the Juniors Open and Main Stage as must attends. Last year the Juniors Open got prime real estate on the LSN network and still have an index to watch the games. These are new events but seem to have some press and muscle behind them.

Can someone pls elaborate if they think the juniors open is a good event to attend. Esp for a 2024? Not sure people had done it last year. Seems like a newer event and other than hearing about it just not sure if good. Seems like there are so many events now. Thx

It is not a showcase where anyone can attend or they state "invite only" but it is easy to get an invite. It may only be in its second year but it is considered one of the better showcases.

Why does Blatant send out that their tournaments are being held in places they are not

My 2023 is registered up for the Juniors Open but I have received zero information about the event, only that it will take place the wkend of 6-18. I don't even have the location. Anyone know where I'm spending that summer wkend?

I think you may be pushing it with its easy to get an invite. I have looked at the instagram page to see who is being shown as invited for the 2023 class and they are all top players. That is not to say they are not missing players but cant imagine its easy to get an invite.

Not easy to get an invite if you are not in the inner circle. It’s usually the top players. A lot of players got recruited from that brand new tourney last year.

The worst part about Juniors open is that it’s June 19-20, and Showtime is June 21-23. If your invited to both, your son might have no legs by day 2 of Showtime. And IMO, you want to be at your best at Showtime. All of these showcases are too close together, and these kids are going to look like trash trying to fit in 27 days of tourneys and showcases in July. As for these showcases being easy to get into, if you are a non-East coast player it’s difficult. It helps to have the right connection too s and good film. But none of these are easy to get into at all.

Showtime is the most important showcase to attend and be at your best. Since it’s inception they have a 99% division one offer rate. That means that 99% of the people who attended Showtime had Division I offers. 100% of the kids who played in the all star game had a Division I offer. Every Division I coach is there and every top academic program is there. I would not risk being tired or injury before showtime.

Juniors open last year was likely top summer event

Is it like a showtime where clubs get a select amount of spots and then they have to choose who to give it to.

Pandemic. New Jersey doesn't care.

Is True Blue holding a team this season or did they fold?

Is True Blue all the Massapequa kids

Were they in business last year? Seems like they haven’t been around or competed anywhere. Seems to me like they possibly folded.

They are around. Still have two team I think.

I miss watching JC scream at the kids on the sidelines and doesn't know their names. Funny to watch.

JC coaches every team at every age level and he watches every kid not get recruited because he does nothing besides scream at kids on the fields. When they finally get smart enough and leave he then will curse the parents out.

Not all but when one of the coaches is the Massapequa Varsity coach then its obviously in their best interest to play the Massapequa kids. Everyone not Massapequa is paying their salaries. That's where the turnover lies. Ran into 3 parents at a recent tournament who had all jumped ship that were not from Massapequa. Unfortunately they fell for the sales pitch of your kid will play this year and wasted more money then they should have before the light turned on. Not to knock the coach's who I think can coach lacrosse, but its obviously a Massapequa club. Not even sure why they call it True Blue. Should just be called Massapequa Club Lacrosse or something like that.

The name says it all, "True Blue". Massapequa color is blue.

Massapequa coach is going to play his son and his sons friends who pay the True Blue tuition. He will call it a rebuilding year at Massapequa. Pay to play at MHS.

True blue is Glorified P.A.L with zero communication and zero recruiting efforts unless you are chosen for Adelphi. That takes zero effort from JC so everyone else just gets screwed

100%. and I hardly ever go on this feed because of all the negativity. We are beyond that now. Our kids are '23s. If your son has the true desire to play in college then lets share our experience, expertise and encouragement. College lacrosse is still gaining momentum. Thankfully our kids will have a HS season.

Choose one or the other Showtime first and then Juniors Open. Don't get all hyped about he jersey they send you. Too much lacrosse to choose from and yes, no legs left. Or wrists if your a FOGO.

We do not live in a traditional lacrosse town. My older one did not play for one of the top club teams. Somehow got into showtime and did so well he was an automatic invite the following years. September 1 junior year had so many D1 coaches who called him. At personal visits to colleges we always asked the coaches where they saw him compete. Each coach said Showtime. Of course there were others places he was seen too, but 20 plus d1 programs said they saw him at Showtime. Anyone who has an invite to Showtime needs to make sure they attend and be as rested as much as possible. Nothing compare to Showtime for recruiting.

I have a son going to a Catholic school next year. He's on an Express team but not the A team. Do these B team kids sit the bench or are they getting playing time at the Catholic schools?

Bench

At Chaminade, except for games against Darien / St. Anthony's, etc., for the JV-B (freshman) team it usually works like this -

Starters (top two middie lines) - first half
Second group - third quarter
Third/fourth groups - split the fourth quarter

There will be movement within these groups based on injuries, performance, etc. If your boy ends up in one of the first two groups by the end of the season, he will probably be invited to Express A next summer as the roster grows to 30.

Definitely check out the history of the Express B, 91B Etc. Over the years there are very few division one college commits. In fact most of them do not commit anywhere or commits to colleges people never even heard of. Much better off not playing for the big organization B team and playing elsewhere. Also playing for Express B does not necessarily get your kid playing time on the varsity team but definitely gets a kid a better chance of making the team.

That's just not true. Top half of 91 and Express B teams do have some commitments to top tier D1 programs and many of the players commit to D3 programs.

not B teams... single "A" teams

2021 91 Ambush, which is the second team, has no d1 commits and express second team has only one. It is easy to look up. These low numbers are true for the past several years. Don’t believe this and keep your kid on the second team and find out the hard way when it is too late or you can do the research now and find out that only the AA teams get multiple D1 commits. Don’t believe anyone here. Do the research on your own.

I don't need my kid to go top 10 D1 and cost me 250k to play lacrosse. The kids on the second team go to amazing schools to get a high paying career, not to coach clinics or travel teams.

I don't need my kid to go top 10 D1 and cost me 250k to play lacrosse. The kids on the second team go to amazing schools to get a high paying career, not to coach clinics or travel teams.[/quote]

This is spot on. How long can you market yourself for clinic and showcase appearances, only until the next young lacrosse superstar graduates from college and decides do the same thing and take your place. Obviously, some go on to very successful coaching careers, but no guaranty there.

This is spot on. How long can you market yourself for clinic and showcase appearances, only until the next young lacrosse superstar graduates from college and decides do the same thing and take your place. Obviously, some go on to very successful coaching careers, but no guaranty there.[/quote]

Of course, if that top 10 D1 school is an ivy, Duke, ND, JHU and the like.. that D1 offer is well worth it on the back end

Of course, if that top 10 D1 school is an ivy, Duke, ND, JHU and the like.. that D1 offer is well worth it on the back end[/quote]

Except that we're only talking about a couple of spots (top D1) for thousands of kids that play the game. Everyone has a shot at playing for great schools. 91 Ambush and Express B, as well as a ton of other A, and B team kids will play anywhere they want. Again, don't need to kiss Spallina or Chuck's butt to get to where you want your son to go.

Except that we're only talking about a couple of spots (top D1) for thousands of kids that play the game. Everyone has a shot at playing for great schools. 91 Ambush and Express B, as well as a ton of other A, and B team kids will play anywhere they want. Again, don't need to kiss Spallina or Chuck's butt to get to where you want your son to go.[/quote]

I agree 100%, it was basically a post clarifying my prior post

Teams do not determine D1 commits. Players do. The only thing a AA team will do, in normal circumstances, is get your player seen more. Odds are not in your favor but don't write off a good A (B) team player.

2021 91 Ambush, which is the second team, has no d1 commits and express second team has only one. It is easy to look up. These low numbers are true for the past several years. Don’t believe this and keep your kid on the second team and find out the hard way when it is too late or you can do the research now and find out that only the AA teams get multiple D1 commits. Don’t believe anyone here. Do the research on your own.[/quote]


Teams do not determine D1 commits. Players do. The only thing a AA team will do, in normal circumstances, is get your player seen more. Odds are not in your favor but don't write off a good A (B) team player.[/quote]

Fantastic grades and prospect camps is the solution. JS's or CoachC's AA teams don't have library hours or bus kids to prospect camps.

How many of the 5 star 23 recruits announced are actual 23's?

NLF Rankings should put DOB on all there rated players 100% of there top 10 are hold backs.

It’s so ridiculous. Never understood why they don’t compare apples to apples. Lax is such a joke. No rules. Wild, Wild West

ZERO.

It’s a sad reality that most, if not all, of the ranked players are extremely old compared to the rest of the 23 class.

Inside lacrosse 5 stars-BD are on other sites
Christmas-holdback, Hoffman-6/04-holdback, Fyock-holdback, Kellogg 10/03-holdback, Millon 3/04 holdback

17 yr sophs. I graduated at that age lol

Covid has turned me, after missing a whole year and the back log of players my son will now reclass. I will do this with regret and mixed feelings.

Sorry to hear that, but I completely understand. I’m sure you’re not the only one doing this because of the backlog. Hope it all works out.

How can you reclass in 10th grade?

The biggest bs you tell everyone your going to do a PG year and you can play against 24’s. Or have your parents pay 80k for a boarding school.

Recruiting in 9th / 10th grade. Its the parents, mostly the fathers, who are crazy about seeing their son become some type of star. The fathers are reaching out to schools and coaches, pushing to get their sons on top travel teams and trying to make sure their sons are on select teams or make all star games, etc. Then the really crazy fathers.....they are still coaching their son's travel teams! Making sure their kid is playing attack, scoring goals, on man up, etc. You'll notice you rarely see the travel team's son playing defense or goalie. That basically sums up 9th / 10th grade "recruiting". Relax...let your kid play lacrosse and other sports, focus on the grades. It will all work out...

How do I get him on the Duke lacrosse team? If he has good grades does that get him on the team?

You keep reclassing until he is RANKED #1 in the grade then SEPT 1 wait for all the calls to pour in.

Is it fair to say a holdback is playing up , when they still play in there original grade?

Absolutely not. I actually laughed at a dad who said his kid was playing up. I had to remind him that his son was my sons classmate before he moved to private school.

Sit in your vehicle and notice the usual group of fathers standing watching practice with their hands in their pockets, mostly wearing a baseball cap to hide their balding dome, along with a hooded sweatshirt. Some of them sport team or H.S. apparel, but the majority of them look like complete As^&%$#! Then when the kids walk off the field, they stare as if a group of hot women are walking by them.

Only Delgado is and always has been on-age on that IL 5-star list. Once the DOB was shared last year for top 10 recruits, it made it clear to all you either holdback (or double holdback) or aren't going to be a top recruit.

DIdn't Delgado reclass?

So basically you sit in your car watching them watching their kids? Staring at them as if they’re hot women? Kind of the only way you could notice right?

Does it matter if he did? Nothing we can do about it and complaining won't change the prep school system anyway.

Delgado is not a reclass, just a good player who didn't cheat

Curious as to how the re-classes fair in college. Do they consistently stay at a higher level or do they tend to level out and get surpassed. Would love to see the top 100 ranked from HS jr year through college and see how much movement there is. What the average delta in ranking is for holdbacks vs on age.

They do well in college. Usually in the top rankings

It seems that way only because there are so many of them. This year the best 3 of the top ranked freshman are on age and killing it. This year it is more difficult as well because there are so many post graduates playing. See, you don’t have to be a cheating lost do great!

The older kids, ones who have been older their entire youth lacrosse career have had huge advantages this whole time. They stand out because physically they are better than their younger teammates, which helps them get pushed through to the good showcases and the top of all these lists and get noticed very early on. It’s not a coincidence that the 22 top 10 IL players had birthdates ranging between 3 birth years some 18 years old. Some of these kids were driving, or had permits, in middle school while the on age 13 year old were just hitting puberty.
I applaud the on age players, because those are the ones who are truly the best players! I imagine a good portion of the 23 class will reclass or PG to get out from under this Covid mess. On my sons travel 23 team, 13 of 19 are reclassing after this summer. The other 6 players are already reclassed.

You can't just throw that out there and not name the team. Based upon the high number already reclassed and the relatively small roster size, this sounds like the team that JS coaches.

Does it matter what team it is? This amount of reclassing is going to be the norm, not the exception.
Did you happen to catch the latest “Top 23” from the NLF list? It’s a 22 Mid who’s already committed to Princeton, who is reclassing to 23 (but still a 22 and still in 11th grade). There will be a ton of reclassing over the next few years.

One year of extra play and extra developments makes a huge difference for a boys lacrosse player. Especially mentally for their confidence. It’s stinks for the on age kids, but Covid and NCAA giving college kids and extra year is definitely going to push a lot of athletes to PG if they really want to play at the next level.

I would love toThat was hysterical! He's actually not reclassing, he's going to graduate as a '22 and take a gap year in Australia. Not sure how that qualifies him as a 23??

Rankings and playing time / production are two vastly different things. The list of holdbacks that didn’t pan out is much longer than those who did. Look at how all those early recruiting teams are doing. As an example, Hopkins full of holdback and that team stinks.

Not sure how you get to the top 10 in the NLF 2023 class if you graduate as a 2022. Bizarre

Every time I watch Hopkins I can’t believe how terrible they play for having so many high level recruits. Is it bad team dynamics? Coaching?

They have one of the top holdback recruits! What disappointment holding your kid back twice then he doesn’t show up in college!

I'd give them at least a year or two to decide. The new coaching staff has brought in a whole new offensive system. It will take time to both acclimate current players and bring in new kids who fit that system.

Hmmm....They got worse since the new coach came.

Which is not surprising when you bring in a new coaching staff, with a fundamentally different system, but with mostly the same kids from the prior regime. Add in the lack of practice and offseason work because of Covid and it makes it even harder. Which is why I think you need to give it a year or two before making a judgement.

Agreed, the guy has a proven track record with a program that does not draw in the same number of top recruits as JHU. That being said, putting aside the lack of practice and offseason work, and the introduction of a new system, their top kids just don't seem to be producing as expected. Also, a lot can be said for the fact that they are not playing outside the BIG 10, in the past, they could get a few wins out of conference.

How do you reclass in 10th grade or 9th???????

True. The Big ten is deceiving this year. Hard to know how good/bad the teams are. PSU/Hopkins/OSU/Michigan all have close games with each other. They are all very good teams. Rutgers is a little better, MD, a lot better. They all still should be ranked in top 20, but because the can't prove themselves by playing out of conference, they're getting defeated.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Rutgers next year, I think that they were by far the biggest beneficiary of the grad transfers this year.

Rutgers will be terrible, MD won't be very good either. Hopkins should look good in Big 10 next year.

go from public to private....or just just repeat if your already there.

Only one legit team carries that low of numbers....maybe JS realizes that amount of spots open for 23's is going to be down 25%

With all the 22’s coming down to 23’s, there is going to be a lot less than 25% less spots available for the 23 class. The trickle down effect will be far reaching. Ask the prep coaches how many applications they got this year, my guess it was record numbers for all sports.

Next years Inside Lacrosse list could be 10 new names......having only 1 out of 10 of the kids being on age is a bad look for the sport.

Well considering the current top 10 has only 3 on age 2023’s....
Pretty soon the reclassing won’t matter, because everybody will be reclassed and older. The advantage will be gone. Then everybody will be double reclassing.
What’s interesting is, how the non-hotbed, west coast kids are starting to reclass. It is definitely catching on past the East coast.

what is the link for the top 10 with birthdays?

Doesn’t exist for obvious reasons.

Have to see this actually happen. A lot of the kids are top recruits already, what are they going to hold back for? More playing time as a freshman?

How do you know they are top recruits without reclassifying?

Well if it is the WHOLE js team as mentioned, I think its pretty safe to say there are multiple top recruits.

But if they didn’t reclass they would not be the top 1% of recruits

It will take 4 to 5 years for this manufactured gut of lacrosse players to pass through the college ranks. This affect will be felt through the 2025 recruiting class.

I would like to add some intelligence and context to the ongoing reclass conversation that takes over every thread, every week, every month, every year and probably forever.

"BLAH BLAH BLAH reclass BLAH BLAH BLAH unfair BLAH BLAH BLAH disadvantage BLAH BLAH BLAH advantage BLAH BLAH BLAH birthdate." I hope that helps, please feel free to quote when you have similar conversations with friends and no, my son is not a reclass.

How do the high school playoffs work this year?

Ask a varsity parent

It’s basically just 4 rounds total. Nassau is 1st round, top 8 teams. Semis, championship, then li championship. At least that is what is on our schedule. Starts June 9th.

Why do you bother to respond.

Amazing to see all the lap licking dads waiting to GROOM the head coach after each game.

Glad the season is over. Now on to travel and better watching of the game.

What clubs are good to sign up for tryouts for this grade?

Well, if you can’t beat em’ join them! Duh! Of course if they are seeing the advantage of reclassing - they are also going to do it.

YES! there is a huge advantage. Not necessarily size, it’s extra year(s) of developing skills and game IQ! Huge to have two extra years. Plus, we know how it plays out physically whether or not kids catch up in size or not? The extra training / skills is the key. So, blah , blah , blah…. There is totally an advantage and I think it will be more the norm going forward instead of just a couple on a team.

So…the elitist sport will become even more elite for the kids who can go to $60K prep schools and “re-class” ! SAD

This again? Dude, if you don’t know at this age the. You haven’t been paying attention. Feel free to make your own list with your kids club at the top.

I’ll give you a hint, it starts at X at St Anthony’s. But this year will break LIs 3 year run of top ranked player in the class. Likely landing in Maryland this year.

[ChillLaxin] about your son. Let your kid have fun and play lax. You don’t have to be on the best teams to get recruited, that’s a bunch of B/S. Take video, call or email coaches to get on their radar. Go to individual showcases. Stop the A team garbage and be a real Dad who doesn’t kiss the coaches jerks. It’s sickening! Maybe someday you will get your man card back.

Anyone have feedback on Maverik Showtime this year?

Well organized. Great talent. Tremendous value for the dollar. Awesome gear. Felt like a big stage. Gaps in schedule painful. Everyone in red helmets and red shorts created some challenges. Capelli fields and complex are a great location. Loved it!

Curious with juniors open and maverik being back to back. For parents whose kids attended both. Which was better? In terms of level of play? Had more college scouts? Exposure? And how it was run?

If you find on let me know I have a 2023 goalie that needs a team. His team folded last year. And we never tried out for anyone else.

How is the LI showcase tryouts (Nassau/Suffolk teams), are they fair?

Some big names from LI did not make the All-Star game at Maverik. Are there other politics at play? Or was it a fair assessment of the talent.

No. It’s never fair. Once you accept that you will be much happier.

Many of us are guilty of some form of hypocrisy relating to youth sports; as a coach, parent, etc.

Any of this Nassu Suffolk stuff is never fair people have been making phone calls for years! I know kids that made the Suffolk team and never tried out!

woke

My son is playing in the top 50 game Monday, I will let you know if a player who did not attend tryouts makes the Suffolk team. The kid was at Showtime not Suffolk initial tryouts. We will see if he is at the 50 game or the top 25 team..

There is no way they could pick that team from those tryouts. Nobody really stands out after one scrimmage on a Monday evening when alot of kids probably couldn't get there because their parents have to work. There is a reason they want them to wear their town and not club helmets, its because they already know who they want from watching school. If it were really a tryout they wouldn't have had it on the day after a tournament either. My kids team played 4 games the day before and 2 more on Saturday and could barely walk on Monday. I know my kid wouldn't have made it anyway but after watching the tryouts its apparent its already picked. Not enough time to really evaluate based on 1 scrimmage in my humble opinion.

Yes, same. It's all politics and based on how the kid did during the season, and also if the coach advocates for them. Had two go through the process and always made the team, but some of the selections you had to scratch your head at!

Any good teams at the tournaments yesterday?

If you're asking about Big X - no.

Bandits lose 12-6 at Crabs.....were kids missing?

All of LI's top teams were there, along with out-of-state clubs.

Double holdbacks beat holdbacks every time..

My sons team was at Big X B tournament some D-2 and D-3 schools there. The better teams were in Maryland.

Because the better teams were at Crabfest immediately followed by Naptown. And there was the HS showcase last week. So In 7 days those coaches can see most of the best teams without going far.

Can we recognize PrimeTime 2023 for winning Naptown? Pretty impressive run they had. Always were a top team but to win that thing is good to see a tri-state win that over a DMV team.

Inside Lacrosse tourney early this week, not very competitive, did not see many college coaches either.

Did many LI teams attend?

Legacy just changed schedule for tomorrow. They are scared of Rebels. Another Tz move. What a baby. Cry baby cry

LOL…. Eclipse way better than Rebels

Still living in my kid needs a T-Shirt world huh. Good luck to you

They are not playing each other...

No... Eclipse played Legacy. You think Legacy ducked the Rebels by playing a far superior team in Eclipse??

Exactly because Rebels and legacy pull kids from Li.

Top-tier teams played the first half of the day, followed by the lower-tier teams in the afternoon. Naturally, the host organization has control over who plays who.

That was not the game Legacy switched.

The morning of the first day, they played the weakest teams. The second day, FLG, then hedged playing Eclipse but lost.

Let it go.... good tournament, facilities and many coaches in attendance without having to drive 3-4 hours. What are you complaining about.

Wow shore to shore beat the Bandits by one! They must have been missing half the team! And then lost the championship no depth!

91 BANDITS LOST. What a total collapse and embarrassing loss! S2S the new top team in the country.

Since rankings are raised. Does anyone know if the Elite 8 or Midnight Mania is happening at the end of the summer. I believe it has been sponsored by Inside Lacrosse for the past 2 summers in late August. Haven't heard or seen anything and I know its done by rankings.

Ummmm. Did the Bandits lose to 24 lax at LILJ today? Yikes

Bandits weren’t there

91 Bandits were blown out by Legacy and Jesters

Lolllll

24 lax, who? Not even a relevent organization, run by Mr. Compression socks himself. LOL

And the Turtles beat the teams that beat the Bandits, I guess we are number one.

It wasn't even the regular Bandits.......it was a put together team of kids from other organizations.

Bandits express igloo S2S all dropped out. LILJ filled this team with random players Great day put together by LILJ

Way to go FLG

It was pathetic, outside kids running to the tournament, thinking they were playing with the Bandits. JP wasn't even there. Kids are carbon copies of their parents.

Hey Express Dad; Don't you think it's time to purchase a new baseball cap? The one you have been wearing for the past several years looks as greasy as your hair.

The tournament was horrible yesterday. Express bailed 2 days prior and the Bandits bailed the day of. Actually feel bad for the Kings that traveled to play in such a bad tournament. The Bandits team that was there was made up of 2 Bandit players 1 Wolfpack and then some Express S2S and Igloo players. It was a really bad job on Express and 91 don't sign up for a tournament if your not going to show. There were also maybe 6 colleges at the tournament so all in all just a big waste of tiem.

No actions from Express surprise me anymore.

Still waiting for them to address the mess of the World Series of lacrosse. How can CoachC not speak up with a stem end

Turtles is a freaking joke.

How so?

My kid plays with the Turtles and enjoys the team, sometimes. For sure, there are better teams/organizations, coaches available compaired to the Turtles. If this year wasn't the last year for travel lacrosse, truly believe many kids would leave for other teams. Turtles, are like a pass through team on the way to another team.

Yeah that tournament is over. 2022 class had a good one, this one was just an absolute waste of time.