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Does fall ball really matter though? Save a trip to Maryland.
Top Guns went to MD and didn’t end up against top teams either.

Leave him alone. He’s just excited to be on this side of the conversation. Last year 91 was absent for the entire Fall and they got flamed for it. A lot of crying dads in blue Hokas convinced 91 to start registering for big boy tournaments. So here they are. Standing strong with this year’s OnClouds on and an inflated sense of accomplishment with their fall record.

91 #2
Nice work

not to take credit away from any of the long island teams that have made it onto the rankings board, but those rankings are insane. i know how the ratings work but to see teams with impressive records rated so low shows some flaws in this system. seeing teams with 5-4 record in the top ten is just fool.

Four LI teams in the top 10 is impressive. Great year for LI girls. Nicely done.

Looks like LI teams not traveling down to play MD teams helped them a lot. The algorithm seemed to like them playing each other. 5-4 and ranked 5th over two mid Atlantic teams who only lost to heros is fool to me. But kudos to LI teams. Summer they will have to prove those top 5 rankings.

Well you did take it away with what you said. Why even say anything? Of coarse rankings has flaws which is why they are notIntelligent in the first place but the teams with those records are really good and if you look at who they lost to, I'm sure they are to really good teams on close games which is why record is not a great indicator of who the best teams really are. Congrats to them!

Definitely impressed to see 4 LI teams posted… shows the depth in the 2029 class. I can guarantee we will see movement in the rankings come spring.

At what ages do teams stop to see movement and really lock in their rosters?

Proud of LI Lacrosse. Here’s hoping these teams can stay on the top this Spring

algorithm doesn't change. playing a high opponent strength score and achieving a high goal differential is all that matters. doesn't matter where you travel (unless you're someone who can't find high strength scores locally)

Get over yourself. When the 12th place team in the country has a record of 2-8-3, the 10th place team has a record of 7-5-1, and the 5th place team has a record of 5-4 criticisms are expected and frankly they are warranted. A losing record and a negative goal differential should never put you in the 90's or anywhere near the leaderboard regardless of whatever formula they're using. It's not a good look.

This. The system gave the LI teams way too much credit which bumped their SoS up a good amount. Never heard of tradition yet they are number 10?

The post about algorithm is accurate. The system didn’t have enough information to figure out what to do with the LI teams who only played themselves.

Look at NXT. Lost to M&D and Eagle Stix once and beat them once. Lost to Heros. Yet they are 4 and M&D and ES are 9 and 8? Coppermine who only lost to heros and M&D is 7??

Once Monsters, LITG and YJ travel south. Things will change. Team 91 is the only one who deserves to be up there above Coppermine, ES and M&D.

Biggest reason why fall rankings are kind of pointless.

I agree with most of this except that YJ did beat ES and is rightfully placed above them.

The formula is flawed, teams get to post cool stuff to social media. US Club ranking is a marketing company that has done a nice job of damaging the sport, it creates emphasis on a wide goal differential, coaches managing to a rating, brings down playing time, etc., knowing every goal counts towards a rating. US Club ranking organization capitalized on the frenzy around club lax and fool lax parents who are obsessed with being able to tell their friends at the tennis club their daughter is on a top ranked team. Its lacrosse people, need to relax, no one outside your sphere of lacrosse friends care. Someone above said it, if you’re a college caliber player, the brand doesn’t matter, go dominate a showcase or prospect day and they will seek you out.

Tradition is a town team and it is impressive that they can compete with the top teams. They benefited the most playing higher ranked teams.

Fall ranking are ridiculous because the sample size (# of games) is too low. One LI team only played 6 games while the others had 9. MD teams will move up since they play each other in the NGLL while LI teams do not play until the summer tournaments.

You've provided contradictory information. You can't say that one team benefits from a small number of games and another team benefits from playing in a league with a large number of games. Make up your mind or just stick to the algorithm. Rating is average goal differential plus average strength of opponents.

All of the stirring stops when 91 hibernates for the winter and spring.

91 is in a secret bunker, training and plotting how to maintain their reign over Long Island

Why do you make it sound so negative? Can you not give them credit as a good team?

Wink LILJ College Bound Experience- thumbs down. Would go again if it was $175. No more.

I’m a different person but I think they’re a good team. Their parent presence here though makes them hard to like. It might actually be burning bridges for their girls.

How would you take that as a negative? They’re the best team on Long Island… they lay dormant and reappear ready to handle business

They only played one Long Island team this season and sat out Queen of Long Island. Let’s stop inflating the dormant ones.

Taylor Moreno Goalie Clinic last weekend. $150 for a group clinic for an hour. Did she give out $100 Amazon gift cards to justify the price? Anyone send their kid?

Lol I saw that.. I think Wink gave her our emails…can get 2 personal lessons for 150…my kid had some reps with her at the stony Brook event a couple of eeeks ago…. Was ok..Weren’t splitting atoms…

Why place importance on the Queen of the Island tournament? Did any teams in the top 10 even attend this Y/FLG event ?

It's a small event and the 6th and 11th place team did.
But more importantly, the 91 moms on here have previously used that tournament to declare their kids "queen" or "best" when they show up and play (and do well). You can't have it both ways where you say it's significant enough to crown you queen one season but insignificant in the next season.

I tend to agree with you that the event has become rather insignificant though, if that's what you're saying.

What up with this USCLAX golden 16 thing? They said to stay on their rankings you need to submit a verified roster or they’d kick you off the list the following week. That doesn’t seem to be happening.

Verified rosters aren't due yet. And it doesn't matter. I would bet of the golden 16... more than 12 don't participate. This will be a tournament between the bottom 16. Unless they do away with the age requirement. Unlike the boys side, the girls didn't move to age based this year.

They'll never do away with the push for an age requirement. That's their sticking point, and while it's a noble cause, they've paired it with a for-profit tournament that's billing itself as the only legitimate tournament on the block.

Do you know of the official due date for rosters? I saw that they said on their instagram that they were requiring it each week or the team would be dropped from the golden list. But I wouldn't be surprised if this changed...just like their tournament dates. This company seems to be building the plane as they fly it. If you search BOTC for anything USCL related, the 2029 group is the only one that seems to spend any time talking about them. They've fallen into irrelevancy.

This forum is bonkers! Love it.

Yes. Rankings are messed up…..there is a formula. Work it!

Queen. Yes. Top LI teams play in it. Up till about 7-8th grade.

Showcases. Why are you doing any at this age? No college coaches looking at your kid. However….they are good experience for when it does matter.

Keep it up. This is great.

Mom here: 91 will be considered the best on the Island until another LI team beats them. It’s that simple. TG and YJ have come close but have not beaten them.
They also have the title of “Queen” since they won the spring tournament and have beaten the fall tournament winner.

There's lots I can say about this. One is that the best girls in the country are going to these things, even at this age. I see them there. It's the same names over and over. And they play on high ranked teams. If you want to keep up with this level of competition and rub the correct elbows...this is one way. These girls are absolutely making a name for themselves...already. I am one of the coaches of a top 10 team. I know the names of three girls that I'd love to have on our 7th grade travel team. Guess where I learned them. I need a draw girl and I fully expect to have figured that out well before tryout season.

Next, it's something to do in the off season. Something separate from our teams. Playing a weekend in a full size indoor facility is a breath of fresh air in the winter when practices are typically in the indoor sewers of Long Island.

There are ample opportunities for networking- with event holders, with likeminded players, with coaches, with parents, with competition, and with college coaches and clinicians. Some of the people running these things are young ladies that our children watch on television- they're the Derek Jeter of the women's lacrosse world. Our kids love working with them.

There are also lots of learning opportunities. With that said, some of these events are awful and awfully expensive, so properly vetting them is pretty important. The dream of your kid going to college for lacrosse is only a sliver of the pie chart of reasons why you might want to go to these things.

Get a life mom

Also, being a coach on a top 10 team... I agree with part of this and that is the having fun, networking, and seeing some of their role models at these events.

Don't do these events if you expect to get on college coaches radar. Our girls are 12-13 years old, a lot can change before 10th grade and college coaches know that and don't waste their time with this age group. With that said, sure girls make a name for themselves with other CLUB coaches. We all know the top players on the top teams in the country and can name them (by name or numbers) but, these events are not where we learned of them.

With all that said, it is an opportunity for the girls to HAVE FUN and play together with girls from other clubs. If you child loves the game, asks to go and you can afford it then by all means go have fun. But please don't expect to leave with the mindset your daughter is getting on some college coaches radar.

How is 91 doing in California?

The 2029 91 team at Sand storm is a combination of the Colorado and LI girls teams. Weather is beautiful compared to what we left on LI. The facility and grounds are set up so nicely. There is even enough places to park, unlike some of the other tournaments.
It is a good experience for the girls to play with each other and face off against different competition. It is great to see how much the game has grown in the US. There are quite a few ex-LIers who live out west and have kids playing.

Sounds like double rostering to me.

They win the tourney....13 team AA Division

How?