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It’s a troll

Fact??? That’s hysterical 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Top programs def offer full rides

Do you know a program in particular that offered a full ride this year?

No they don’t, it’s very rare

Wrong. It's actually lower programs that offer the full ride in the hopes of snagging a top recruit who could elevate their program. The top schools don't have to offer over 50% because they get those top recruits regardless. Not saying it never happens, but it is extremely rare, and more likely for a transfer who has already proven herself. Many of these "top recruits" will not turn into top college players. Coaches know this and don't want to tie up all their funds on a bench warmer.

That sounds rt. But not the top of the first tier. The girls That committed last week. Big money. The next level down you are spot on

Actually, many of the top recruits do turn into top college players. You are correct about lower tier programs trying to entice top tier recruits with $$. The #1 recruit at the top programs can and do get more than 50%. Not every recruit at BC, UNC, MD, Northwestern are equal, there is a #1 and a #8 they do not get the same, some may get nothing.

Many do....many don't . It's a gamble

There are always people on here saying: "Many of these "top recruits" will not turn into top college players" or something similar "they will never see the field" "they will disappear in college" etc... It is simply not true at all, it has been documented many times on BOC how the Top Recruits (Inside Lacrosse top 40 young gun seniors, Under Armour Senior All-Americans) do in college and in general the large majority do very well.

Here we go again...

- 2016 Under Armour Senior All-American Girls

- 48 Players

- 41 developed into Starters / Regulars playing every game.

- There were at least 22 All-Conference players

- There were at least 15 All-Americans.

- There were at least 15 Team Captains.

- There were 3-5 players that had an injury that affected or ended career.

- There were 4-5 players that were reserve players for their entire career, they did not see much playing time.

Despite the narrative that "top recruits will disappear in college", the reality is that the large majority go on to have very successful college careers at many of the very best college programs.

Keep in mind that the majority of these players go to the best programs, if you work your way into playing every game at a Top 10 program you are doing pretty well and would likely be a "star" at just about all other programs.

I choose this group because I am very familiar with this class and they have all gone through their full college career.

Read Scholarship Myth (US Lax, September 2017)

The NCAA limits Division I women’s programs to 12 (per school year)…. simple math can yield the unlikelihood of a prospect earning a full athletic scholarship.

2020-2021 season rosters:

BC; 37 players (11 Fresh., 10 Soph., 7 Jr., 7 Sr. and 2 Grads)
Cuse: 46 players (9 Fresh., 8 Soph., 9 Jr., 9 Sr. and 11 Grads)
NC: 40 players (13 Fresh., 10 Soph., 5 Jr., 9 Sr and 3 Grads)
NW: 37 players (6 Fresh., 12 Soph., 6 Jr., 10 Sr. and 3 Grads)


Look at the roster sizes above and try and explain how a single player can receive a full athletic scholarship when only 12 are available for the whole team.

Also, can you imagine if one player receives a full scholarship and becomes (injured / ineligible / decides to transfer) and how that would impact the trajectory of the program.

Parents/players exaggerate the package (merit and scholarship) they receive and simply say my kid received a full athletic scholarship, because they are proud of their kid and uninformed (delusional) people just keep repeating what they have been told.

No one receives a DI lacrosse full athletic scholarship.

You sound like you know but you are flat out wrong.

Not the poster but would agree. Maybe ask your club directors or coaches many who have played at the D1 level and many who were darn good recruits

Do you personally know someone who has received a full academic scholarship to a D1 school? If so, from what club and yo what school?

Yes. 3 so far. All committed by 9/12

LI girls?

Yes.

Perhaps when “Athletic Scholarship” Plus some “academic” whether warranted or not, plus some “in-state” tuition rates, etc. might equal a “Full Ride” for some and to Them...that is the end result-no $. Might not be a “Full Ride” from the 12 athletic Scholarships available.

What schools gave full rides?

The poster can't tell you because it's not true. As someone else stated, there is often creative financing which can appear as a full ride, but NO SCHOOL GIVES A 100% ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIP. The top recruits might get 50-75% if they are truly exceptional. There is usually only one girl in the grade that fits this description, For the 2023s, the girl is going to BC. There is no way she is getting more than 50-75% athletic money. Have you seen their roster? Do the math!!

I agree with everything just posted except....the Best in the grade is from Grizzlies and is going to UNC. The YJ and Jesters girls going to BC might be next. BTW...I am a YJ.

Oh yes, that was a mistake. I meant Grizzlies to UNC, not BC. After her, there are a bunch tied for second. The YJ girl is good, yes, but no difference between her and several others. I would say she is the best YJ though

based on what I have read on BOTC, what I have heard people say and my experience navigating the recruiting process with two kids who currently play in college I am pretty sure that there are going to be a lot of disappointed / disgruntled Long Island parents in the coming weeks and months.

There are just too many delusional parents out there who believe their child is way better than she is. During the recruiting process the college coaches will let their actions speak and their actions will tell the parents where their daughter ranks. Too many parents think they know who all of the best players are and which players should be "ranked" or make a team i.e. UA, AS etc... or which Club Team is the best.

News flash, if the best college programs are not making offers it's a safe bet that the player is not considered to be a very strong player. If we look at the best college programs, the programs that are consistently in the Top 10-20 we will see maybe 25 Long Island players end up at these schools. There will be a very small number of players who receive offers from the top programs but for whatever reason choose to go elsewhere. For the most part the best players will have their choice of schools and they will more than likely find a home at one of the best college programs. The list of schools is pretty diverse in terms of academics, location, size of school etc...

College coaches do not recruit club teams, they recruit players and they recruit these players from all over the country, I doubt most parents from Long Island had any idea who Izzy Scane or Charolette North were when they were juniors in HS. I will guarantee every college coach worth their salt knew all about them.

I truly wish all of the players well but to some of the parents (not all ) just the ones who think they know who all of the best players are and obviously think their daughter is one of them many of you are in for a rude awakening.

Why are you stating a bunch of jibberish that people already know?? Yawn…… Is there an actual point in your message?? Confused at why you’re posting

Eye of beholder. Bully selfish play or team play. Which do you prefer?

It’s gibberish. If you already know and you find it boring why do you take the time to engage? If as you say that “people already know” why are you asking what the actual point of the post is? Apparently you are confused often.

As to his point …. I would say it’s pretty clear, there are a lot of delusional parents who think they know it all (who the best players are, who the best club team is, who should and shouldn’t make certain teams, how much scholarship $$ kids get, etc…). They also try to diminish any accolade, list, ranking or team that their daughter doesn’t make. They cry politics and friends and family network and call BS when their kid is not recognizing. Obviously these parents think their daughter is a top notch player who should be recognized.

The recruiting process will tell us all where the players stand. Some, not very many will be offered spots by the best college programs but most will not.

Pretty sure everyone already knows where their daughter stands. Don't need you preaching about it. What makes you think you're providing a "Newsflash"?? You are also very transparent in your message of "wishing all they players well" . Sure you do, lol

If you think all parents know where their daughter stands you are delusional. Just look at all of the negative comments and attempts to tear down or diminish players, rankings teams etc... all in an effort to say there are many deserving players (including their daughter) who were not named, or selected for some sort of accolade. These parents blame politics, Friends and Family network, Club affiliation, other connections and any other excuse that they can dream up to discredit the accolade. The reality is that there are usually not many deserving players that are not recognized and the recruiting process will prove that fact.

I'm guessing that you are one of these parents because the above posts appear to bother you so much.

BTW, I actually do wish all of the players well, they are not the problem. The delusional, disgruntled, jealous parents are the problem.

If my daughter committing to to a top academic and lacrosse school makes me delusional, so be it. You got the wrong person. You’re the one who sounds disgruntled and jealous. Who made excuses? I don’t even understand what you are ranting about!

I know what you are talking about. There are a lot of parents who think their kid is better than they actually are. I think I’ve been one of them! My kid was actually selected for many of the big accolades, unfortunately all during covid but anyone else getting that same accolade was also affected by covid. The accolades haven’t played out in recruiting at all. Seeing tons of commits, even some really nice commits from our team where she is very much a star player, but she just hasn’t gotten those kind of calls at all. Second guessing myself— I might have done something differently as a parent guiding the process.

Plenty of time to adjust. Reassess what schools you have been targeting and get busy. Have your coaches make calls and get to prospect camps. So much time left, but you really have to expand your list and take action ASAP. Our coach always told us not to neglect our backups. Lots of lax in November too. But you need to get on radar now. If your daughter has many accolades, there are schools that will be psyched to have her looking at them. Many schools go slower because they aren't top 25, but tons of great lacrosse beyond top 25.

Pretty sure they are talking about parents who cry politics , friends & family network, club affiliation, connections etc… trying to diminish whatever the accolade is because their daughter was not recognized.

It doesn’t sound like you or the other guy who’s daughter committed to a Top Academic/Top Lacrosse school.

You guys are really uninformed . Full athletic rides do happen , I can tell you UNC , USC , BC , all have players w 100 % cost of attendance scholarships and there are many other programs that have the same . How because these schools have many players that the school was an academic reach and have parents w money so they are willing to be happy with the help getting in .

Now we are seeing where all of those fees and money-grabs are taking us!

Wrong

From experience on the boy's side, my son plays for a Big 10 school who is top 10 in lacrosse. He has the highest scholarship on his team. It's 70%. Boys rosters are larger than girls. It would be very unlikely that someone would get a full athletic scholarship. People who state that are probably combining other monies with the athletic aid.

Agree ^^^ If they have 100% tuition covered, is more likely a combination of money, not just athletic. A fully funded team gets 12 and spending a full 1 of those on a single player is not done, especially for freshman and initial offer.

The reality is that people (in the lacrosse world) never want to believe any player is better or more deserving than their daughter. So, if their daughter was offered 20% they do not want to believe that anyone is offered more than that. If a player is told that their daughter needs to have a 31 or better ACT to go to HYP they will never believe that another player might only need a 28 ACT. There is one joker that was posting on the boys side that actually believes that the boys going to The Academy's and The Ivy's all had the grades, he does not want to believe that the coaches can help all that much. Why? Because his kid probably had very good grades (not good enough to get into a top academic school on his own) but was not a high caliber lacrosse player (which the parent can't understand) so the coaches were not willing to help with admissions. Same goes for scholarships, every situation is different, not every player / recruit is equal, not everyone gets a trophy. I would never say never, "rare" is more likely. From what I have seen, most coaches will not decrease a scholarship but they will increase if they feel the player deserves it. The above poster is correct, for many in the lacrosse world the prize is getting their daughter into a prestigious school that she would not be able to get into on her own, It's not just The Ivy's, Obviously Duke, Stanford, Northwestern, Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, ND, Boston College... and don't forget about Michigan, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State, Maryland.... It is not easy to get accepted to these State Schools from out of state. Not every kid has 95+ GPA, 30 SAT or 1300 SAT.... For many just getting in is great.

The real question is why do people care so much about what others are offered?

Agree. Also, there's a lack of appreciation in the comments for real financial need. It's not as if every lacrosse player has a wealthy family, despite the image of lacrosse. I know a number of players who have turned down spots at high rank schools because they were not the most coveted and therefore funded, and move onto a lower level team for more money. They end up being stars at their lower ranked schools too, where they were probably bench on top team.

Also, for those with a GAI of 150-180k. It can be better to take the financial aid than the scholarship. You can wind up getting 50% or more at Duke, Northwestern, Stanford. Coach will also throw in about 7% more