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Ends justifies the means

Hey - think of it this way, if your kid is on age he’s basically playing up with all the holdbacks. It’s a win win!

College players, and coaches, don't care one bit. Do you think Stetson Bennett is thinking about younger players while polishing his two Natty rings?? Ask him how much he cares about what you think...

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Thanks man, I was going to hold my kids back but seeing your # every other post on this site has changed my mind. Please keep it up as long as possible. You’re doing the Lords work

#reclassgetsahead #proudreclassdadNone of the HS kids care either. The dads chasing something care. #thatguy #yourkidisntgood

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To the guy who posted… high D1 players are all holdbacks. Take a look at the top rosters. Pretty sure you’ll find my kid there and a huge amount of his Long Island friends there too who are 98% on-age. Long Island has the best players in the country and almost none are holdbacks. All run of the mill, on age public school kids, who have been beating up on older and far more privileged (yet inferior) kids since they were 7 years old. How you Splain’n that daddy-o?!!

Question for you. How are MD teams going to compete with teams from the island, once they do away with the cheater rule? Seriously. The only way MD competes with LI is by playing down a year, and you still usually lose. So how can you compete on age? There will no longer be elite teams in MD. Your top teams will be in the B division. Thinking you old boys didn’t think that through too well. Ya’ll might want to reconsider!

Spot on....I agree with everything said here . My son is younger but trains over the summer with one of the top D1 players in the country that lives on long island . The D1 player is not a reclass and when the subject was bright up he laughed and said how he thinks it's ridiculous. Unfortunately long island now hasany holdbacks with LI Express being. The worst offender . Go look at their 2027 AA team .....6 holdbacks

Tell me you’re a FLID without telling me you’re a FLID.
Your son prob wears a gold chain w his number, right

I’m not familiar with the 2027 Express team, but you could be correct. If any team on the island gets holdbacks, it’s definitely Express because of their association with St A’s and Chaminade. But I highly doubt they have 6. Never heard of a team with that many. Maybe 3. Rest of teams have basically none. 91 Wolfpack got their first-ever holdback last year (a favor). Nice player, but not considered an impact player. Never a holdback prior to that. Yet, over the past 10 years, that team is the most successful team in the grade. Absolutely not arguable. And they don’t recruit kids. Never have. 70% of the players have been on the team since it was initiated in 2nd grade. Haven’t had a new player since 2019 (other than the holdback previously mentioned). This is the model to follow. Work hard. Develop your players. It’s that simple. And it obviously works. Don’t need to be the biggest, the fastest or the quickest. Just need to be the best. Which is EARNED. Not given.

FACTS- express 2027 AA has 4 reclassed kids and 2 holdbacks

Well, it's 1/31. According to the Inside Lacrosse article the NLF age verification rollout plan was to be made public by today. Anyone still believing this was going to be resolved quickly?

ZERO CHANCE Matt Chandick makes his living off of rich prep school hold backs.

...and when you lose you go home #wolfpackupandleave May be on age but def low class.

...and when you lose you go home #wolfpackupandleave May be on age but def low class.Please explain this? I thought he made his living off of NLF events and media.

What is there to explain ,very simple . LI Express is the leader of holdbacks/reclasses on long island . As stated here it has only gotten worse each year that passes. This year his 2027 AA team (which is the grade to reclass for this year ) has 6 older kids (4 reclass and 2 holdbacks ).

And we are to believe this information, coming from a holdback parent from the holdback heck of the earth? Holdback parents are the George Santos of the lacrosse world. Yup. Real [Censored]. Your word is a total joke. Completely worthless. Your words couldn’t mean less and in fact if anything they confirm the opposite of your intent. Based on your account, I’m absolutely certain that Express has zero holdbacks.

But I have a question for you, Congressman Santos. Did you ever think it might not be such a bad idea to have your son earn his playing time through determination and hard work, instead of wasting an entire year of his life looking for the easy way out… living a lie?

Sounds like you missed a golden opportunity to teach your son a valuable lesson about life, hard work and earning what he gets in life. After all, the holdback benefits are short lived as we all know. Might your son have done better if he simply learned how to compete, instead of just quitting on his age group, such that he did?

How’s he doing now? Still waiting for the college coaches to call him? Yeah. That’s what we thought. Yet another holdback kicked to the curb.

I took a different path with my son, and it worked out pretty well. Didn’t hold him back. Just another public school kid. Nope, no 60k prep school for him. He worked extremely hard both in the classroom and on the field. He earned his playing time and the respect of his teammates, coaches and ultimately D1 college coaches. He earned a roster spot on an elite team, at an elite school, and earned a phenomenal scholarship. And I’m very proud to say that many of his teammates, who are not holdbacks, received similar distinctions and deals. They all worked hard, never gave up, and earned what they deserve through hard work and determination. Really makes you think, right? Could there be a better life lesson than that?

There you have it, George. At this point, don’t sweat it too much. Just continue to live your lie. You’re in too deep. What’s done is done. You screwed up. It happens. Hopefully your kid will some day forgive you for wasting an entire year of his life, for no good reason. I mean, what’s a year of someone’s life really worth these days. Hmmmm.

One more thing. Just want to set your mind at ease in case you were wondering. Yes… we are all talking about you behind your back.

Posted by an ananomous holdback parent who will do absolutely anything to discredit any facts that contradict their poor decision to hold back their kid. Sorry. Holdback parents have zero credibility. You’re obviously lying. Highly doubt that team has any holdbacks.

100% accurate . The 2027 AA express team has 6 older players on it. 4 reclassed kids and 2 holdbacks . I personally know parents/kids on the team . Undisputable fact .

Whats the difference between reclassed and holdback?

A holdback isn't always done for sports . If a parent feels that the kid can really use more help and/or benefit from starting kindergarten later they can hold them back at a young age academically . However, the real sleeze is reclassing ....don't purely for sports and in this case lacrosse . If a kid isn't playing on their team in 8th grade and the parents think he's a student, what they will do is bring him to a private school to repeat 8th grade so then he can drop down to playing with kids a year you get than him and hopefully stand out . It's actually a really dense thing to do .most of these kids on long island end up at st. Anythonys. So what the parent thinks is now how son will be a standout player when in fact they will get to st Anthony's and now be back with the same kids that were on his club team that played in front of him while he watches from the sidelines once again. Really really dense.

Chandick will never expose the truth about players hold back status they wont show up to One Percent, plus the clubs he works for will drop him 91, Eclipse etc.

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I'm torn. A system that rewards reclassing/holding back for anything not related to healthy child development, while suicidally driving out kids whose parents lack the extra post-tax 15-45k to go to private school for an extra year and beyond, is a system in dire need of overhaul. But calling 9/10/11/12/13 yr olds (and anyone under military service age really) "studs" is creepy and weird.

Notning to be torn about ....the same dads who choose to reclass their sons are the same dads calling their sons studs. All the same [Censored] and delusions.

You can reclass just play your AGE. its that simple..

Spin it any way that you like… if you hold your kid back or reclass them you are gaming the system. You are holding them back because you believe that doing so will help your child. You believe that it will give your child an advantage. You believe that your child can not compete with the children in the grade / class that has been established for children in a particular range of age.
Parents have the right to hold their children back in school but club lacrosse should absolutely use a calendar year age bracket/classification.

The part to explain is following the thread and making sense you dense fool. The comment was about Matt Chandick making his money off rich prep school holdbacks.
Are you now saying his income is based off work with LI Express and that LI Express are rich prep school holdbacks? Get over your bitterness, your kid isnt good. Its ok. Youll make him want to quit soon anyway.

I have no clue who you're talking about ....I was talking about LI Express. And yes they have a lot of reclassed kids and holdbacks on their 2027 AA team . As far as this person you speak of I have no idea who that is

Please learn how to post your nonsense inline with the thread then. Or go to the 2027 page and rant about LIE there…..though I imagine after I send this and check that page Ill see your handy work all over the place. Your poor kid. Keep telling him its the evil holdbacks. Excuses will get him farther than action.

Last I checked this is a reclass thread . Pointing out the worst offenders is relevant to anyone that can read and comprehend properly.

Reclasses only happen in one year that's 8th grade which happens to be 2027 this year . Get a clue. That why the example is being made of LI Express 2027. It's gotten worse and now reached 6 on one team .

Ok thats fine but again learn what a thread is. The question and topic was specific about a person. Your response was about LIE being an offender. Totally different topics in one forum. Randomly spewing detest about LIE only shows you didnt make the cut. You should have reclassed but that likely would have made you a double holdback.

But is there something wrong with stating the facts as it pertains to the threads? Shouldn't people be aware of the offenders so they know what they are getting themselves into? thats really the point of the forum, unless its only for spreading fake news and praising the 91's and LIE teams. Oh I forgot unless you play for these teams your child is worthless in the lacrosse world. And yes my child did make both orgs but chose a different path so save your nonsense for someone else who will buy into it
Re: Age and Reclassification. The good the bad the ugly!
Sounds like from peoples experience LIE falls into the ugly as it pertains to the thread topic
But then again thankfully LI offers many choices when it comes to youth LAX

Not at all but responding to a discussion about a person with specifics of a team makes no sense. Now, if you had put it in the thread about the reclass teams that would have made sense. See multiple threads in one forum to drive discussion around specifics. Youre like the guy that just posts Its a good day to be a Outlaw. Though it is a board about lacrosse the post in context is nonsense.
A couple of quick excerpts from your post sum you up and they would be "I have no clue" and "I have no idea"
By your own admission you have no idea whats going on so Ill just stop there and agree with you that LIE is a bunch of reclasses (thanks to the sensical poster that clarified this.)
Making the team and being asked to be on the team are two different things. Whatever your other path, I hope you let your kid enjoy some lax and stop blaming others for anything. The detest will eat you up.

You really make no sense whatsoever. You called out someone by name names Mike ....that is what was referred to as "I have no idea who you're talking about " . So relax . As far as youth lacrosse and the reclassing situation, unfortunately I know way too much . Now you can go back to bashing Mike whatever hai name is and telling everyone they can't talk about teams that reclass when this is a reclass thread . Perfect

"And yes my child did make".... maybe brush up on your reading comprehension your anger is getting the best of you.. And thank you for your concern my child is very much so enjoying the path chosen ,the experience and learning the game and loving it and is not worried about the nonsense... I never blamed anyone .. we all have to live with our own choices no need to be angry over facts and your misunderstanding of the discussion.

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Ok but my son reclassed 10th grade when he moved to private. 10th in public and then 10th in private and tbh the 10th in private is like 12th in his public so there is a side of reclass that does require work when you move to a harder school. You dont simply re take all 10th grade classes.....