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Opening a new thread to discuss the entire set of Boys 2016 teams and upcoming tryouts.

Can you start a thread for 2020?

Response to a post on the Express Forum...

"Yeah, I guess there's no reason to show a little loyalty to kids/parents who played for you/paid good money.

There's no issue if the Express (or any club) forms a new team with new tryouts. The issue is poaching players from other clubs DURING THE SEASON and kicking your existing players to the curb.

Doesn't matter - damage is done. The Express leadership has revealed itself to be a bunch of scumbags."

Since when does trying to put a great team together make the Expess leadership scumbags? They will not kick existing players to the curb...unlike the fl$ and most other programs the Express will have at least three teams in the 2016 grade and there will be a spot for everybody. There are new kids that show up for tryouts every year and in every grade - 2016 is no different than any other grade. If these new kids are just better than the existing Orange kids, then...they are just better and some kids will have to drop down. In all of the other grades that have multiple teams the Express Orange is known to be the best. Why muddy the landscape now with "Barracudas"...just keep it simple...Orange will still be the team with the best 22-24 players, Blue will have the next best group and White for the remainder. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that. It sounds like the current 2016 Orange team would become the Blue team for next year and so forth...I don't see why this is a problem...If better kids show up for the Express tryouts then they deserve to be on the best team...at this age it has nothing to do with loyalty...it has to do with putting the best 22-24 kids out there. I'm sure not all of the current Barracudas would make the team in a real open tryout...there may be one or two fl$, Maverik, Express Orange, Bandit or other kids that show up that were overlooked or not known about when the Barracudas were formed that are better than some of the Barracuda kids. The bottom 10-15% of kids on almost every club at every grade always turns over. There is no reason to think the Barracudas will be immune from the inevitable roster changes to make the team stronger from year to year. The question is, will the 2012 edition of the Cudas come from the overall Express tryout pool or will they be picked again by one father. I hope the former...

I gather if this year's Express Orange 2016 had won a bunch of tournaments and were considered the team to beat in the grade, there would be no reason for the Express to mess with a good thing and the 2016 Cudas would have had to find another home with fl$ or wherever...Although the trend is early, the Cudas and Turtles seemingly came into younger grades where the Express was not very competitive. You will probably not see wholesale shakeups like this happen in the grades above where the Express Orange 2013-2015 teams are already extremely strong and well established.

Done.

Agreed...the Express is doing what any good business would do...fixing its weaknesses.

Does anyone know if the Cudas played in the Bitter tournament (Stowe VT) this past weekend? I see there was an Express team entered in the U13A. If so, how did they do?

NO,that was Express 2017 Blue

Sorry it was orange 2017

When someone from the express comes on here under his real name and explains the real truth about this team, them I will listen. There is way too much conflicting info to even be bothered reading through it all. The only thing that I believe to be true is that express was one of he last teams if not they last to announce try outs at this age group and their date is before everyone else. I bet they will sort through the kids first and try to lock in the better ones so they don't try out for the remainding teams.

A few things - 1) there is no tryout for barracudas. Period. Any tryout is to save face, like you said, orange to blue, blue to white, etc. 2) Active recruitment is ongoing. Tryout fees for barracudas? Try again. 3) you don't like it? Tough! if you really don't like what Express did then hurt them where it counts - the wallet. Express no longer has a stranglehold on elite tournaments, people should know this by now. Can't wait to hear about the playing time for this group - 22 kids, good luck.

What does it say about the Express that their 2016 Orange team finished dead last at Tri-State, but did well after stealing players who had already committed/played for other clubs? Must have really good coaches in that program.

These All-Star teams can work for a single tournament, but fall apart later. Either the distance is too far to travel for practices and/or kids want to play with their real buddies.

LOL. A mercenary team of 13 year olds. What a class organization.

The joke is every dad or mom that is bashing this team, would have and still would jump, at the opportunity to have their child play on the team. Hypocrites every last one of you.
Every one that takes their child to a summer travel team does so in hopes that their child not only develops into a better player by playing with better players but also because the travel team in most cases is more competitive then their town team.
They are looking to give their child an opportunity to play on the best team that they possibly could, well guess what the Barracuda parents I'm sure are looking to do the same thing.
Please lets not use the "loyalty card" because that goes both ways. Do you think the Express, 91. fl$ or the Outlaws will think twice when it comes to dropping your child from the A team to the B team if your child's level of play starts to drop.
Don't be naive, most clubs will say little Johnny would be better off going to the B team as he will get more playing time and will be the go-to guy, etc. It is just the ways it is and you better get used to it at an earlier age each year as these All-Star teams start cropping up all over the place.

If you read the posts, most people are not bashing the team, they are bashing the way it came to be. My prediction is that the ego behind the formation of the team will also destroy it if they go forward. One loss or tie is all it will take.

I love all the talk about the "Cudda players" and "Cudda parents". There is no Baracudda team. A bunch of players put together for one tournament is not a team. The result is impressive, but let's see if this All-Star team from different parts of Long Island stays together.

Still laughing at the Express Orange 2016 finishing in last place at Tri-State

Just got the email from fl$ for tryouts - $125 to tryout???? Please change the name of the program to what it really is - For the Love of the Green.

only 50 bucks to try out for team 91

Anybody who pays a fee for a tryout is an idiot.

Try out fees:

Team 91 - $50
Outlaws - $50
Jesters - $50
Express - $75
fl$ - $125

Team LI - ???
Junior Lizards - ???
Radiers - Not looking for any 2016 kids as per their website.

Hopefully someone can help me out on a few questions. My son 1999 birthday is looking to join a travel lax team . That being said lacrosse is not his whole life nor his only sport .He is a solid player who has always been one of the best if not best player on his average to above average town team.Any suggestions as to which teams do not have alot of commitment during the winter? Also which position do you generally feel gives him the best chance at making a higher level team?Thanks for any help.

I don't have a boy playing so can't help you there, but I can tell you that hardly anyone wants to play defense, so if you son can defend he will have a better shot making a team/getting playing time.

Why no tryout for the barracudas? Every club on the planet can be improved. The parents running this can't possibly make all the talent evaluations in a vacuum.

Interesting that both the Outlaws and Jesters are advertising tryouts for the 2016s yet the Express and Team 91 camps are completely silent. Expect that there will be movement this September for sure.

Incorrect...Express has all of the tryout information for 2012 on their website.

The 91 tryout dates are on their website for everyone to see. The Jesters 2016 teams are beyond bad. They can't play with decent 2016 team or even good 2017 teams. What good player would want to play for them?

Those tryouts are not for the turtles or baracudas. If there is someone they like in the regular tryouts they will discuss but that's it.

There were two jester 2016 teams, which one are you talking about.

both of them. AWFUL

was your son on the team, there u15 team was in the national finals. The program can't be that bad, my son is going to tryout for them.

The Us lacrosse finals were a joke the only good teams were 3 li ones.

fl$ charges alot more than any of the local teams, yet their teams are not any better. Why are they charging so much more?
$1500 plus tournament fees, plus purchasing a helmet from them.
The coaching is not any better than anywhere else.
That is just gouging the kids for no reason. The kids they target are from the wealthier towns. I guess they figure they could afford it.

I hardly think fl$ "targets" kids from wealthier towns...everybody who tries out knows what the fees are upfront. If its too expensive then don't have your kid try out! I think the program's success in several differnt grades speaks for the validity of the fl$ tryout process - it works pretty well.

Should there be an fl$ forum opened similar to the Express forum?

We have opened a thread for discussion about the For the Love of the Game program.

The 2016 Outlaws will be hard to beat. When at full strength there is no one stopping them. They shut out Team 91 A team 5-0 without their top Midfielder. They have the top faceoff man, top middie, and top goalie on the island.

Do not have a kid playing boys travel lacrosse but get over yourself with declaring you have the best 13 yearold middie etc.Hopefully usa lacrosse goes ahead with making set ages determined bt birth year and not grade in school so some of these parents who held their kids back in school will see how they stack up when playing at their true age level.

The only outlaw team that is any good is the 2014 black outlaw team. They are a solid bunch. Good luck with that 2016 outlaw stuff!

perhaps you were sleeping when the raiders beat the snot out of the Outlaws 2 weeks ago at Hofstra.

the only good team the 2016 Outlaws beat all season was the 91 Orange team. Thats it. They lost to every other top 2016 team on Long island.
The Raiders won every faceoff, ran by the Outlaw middies all day and the outlaw goalie was average.

Does anyone ask their child if they are happy? Profit or not for profit is irrelevant, these are businesses putting out a product. The consumer has the choice.

the express 2016 beat the outlaws at farmingdale. They only had 1 win in the tournament and 2 ties but THEY BEAT THE OUTLAWS get real if the barracuda team stays together all 2016 on long island will be playing for second