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What’s with the sudden $18 fee to play in NGLL.
Money grab city.
What are we getting for this may I ask? Is this the spam fund?

Really? Indoor has nothing to do with how well you will do as a field team in the spring. It’s totally different and it’s all go-to-goals. It’s selfish play. Just stating facts, not judgements.

[quote=Anonymous]Really? Indoor has nothing to do with how well you will do as a field team in the spring. It’s totally different and it’s all go-to-goals. It’s selfish play. Just stating facts, not judgements.

It's only selfish play if the coaches aren't encouraging passing. Indoor or outdoor you need to move the ball if you don't indoor I'm sure you won't outdoors either

SW top tier that’s funny? guess we know what team your kid plays for! what was there record last year

SW top tier that’s funny? guess we know what team your kid plays for! what was there record last year

What's funny? They had a good year and were very competitive at Spooky Nook playing in the toughest division.

I was very impressed that our club covered the $ 18 dollars. What a CR money grab move. I heard that the M and D parents had to pay it LOL.

(per team 20 girl team) pushes cost of NGLL to over 2500 per team. Assuming 8 game season each game costs over $600 each to put on? Playoffs are free keep practicing.

There is such demand in this market and the supply is only provided by one entity. Get another league started (like the boys did with the Koopers league to compete with HoCo league) and you may have other (more affordable) options.

Careful what you ask for! The cost is what keeps the riffraff out and also allows for snowflake to still be able to make the team...

The ADDITIONAL cost of $2500. I know things today are dynamic in lacrosse, but in 4 years we have always paid club fees that covered NGLL fees. This is an additional beak-wetting fee.

So what are your picks for this year in 2023 a?
I say the M&D powerhouse will take it all (but I do question some additions at both A & B)
Hero’s used to be a contender but they have been absent from certain tourneys in the last year.
Sky walkers always in flux.
Dark horses may be Elite. All others super dark.
There just isnt enough talent around to stock these teams to beat M&D. They play more and practice more. Reputation alone gets them the best players.
But you only need a few key players to make a difference. Practice practice practice

M&D is the monopoly of travel lacrosse. When there is no competition the sport suffers. I am shocked that another league has not started up already. Parents will abandon their teams in a second if they think their kid can make the black team ( not so much red). There is no chance these other teams will compete. On a good note-it makes no difference in recruiting. If your kid is the top 3-5 on their club they will be set. The rest will be going to lower D1 schools of D2/3 (yes even superstar suzy from M&D or YJ ). I would like to see more competitive games personally. Not sour grapes-my D was one of those 3-5.

An honest answer from a local D1 women's coach..."if you are a good player, schools will find you regardless of who you play for". In this day and age, athletes are being recruited from everywhere. We are lucky to have so much talent in this area so many schools recruit more in this area.

M & D monopoly don't think so. Plenty of great teams in Maryland and else where.

Sky walkers and M & D will be the top 2 teams to beat this season. M & D and Sky Walker's both have very strong mid-fields. Depth is still a concern for both teams IMO. Take the top 3-5 players off the field and they struggle. Elite will be in the mix too but they are falling off. They are just the NEMS 2023 team that should be.

Thanks captain obvious. Any team at any level would struggle if they lost there to 5 players.

Hero’s when healthy is the top team. M&D #2. Skywalkers overrated.

I can't remember the last time Hero's beat M&D in a tourney or NGLL. They are certainly #2 or #3 but M&D is a clear #1. For NGLL, the top 4 teams for playoffs are a lock IMO: M&D, Hero's, Skywalkers, Elite. Should be a battle for the next two spots though.

Just asking- what is it a out M&D that makes them so dominant?? Their defense doesn’t get much work since they are so dominant on offense. What makes them so great?

They are not. The top teams trade wins against each other. M&D, Sky walkers and Hero's games will be close. That is far from saying they are dominant. As these teams get older they tend to have very close games. Watch the 21 M&D vs. 21 Sky walkers. Great games. Nobody dominants.

Lol Hero's parent.

M&D was definitely dominant last year won NGLL and every tournament they were in. Now will they continue to be dominant? guess we’ll have to wait and see

M&D was definitely dominant last year won NGLL and every tournament they were in. Now will they continue to be dominant? guess we’ll have to wait and see [

Who was M&d's toughest competition last year?

Top Guns. Only lost once out of about ten times they played almost every game being a battle. Monster being second followed by Heros at three.

Top Guns. Only lost once out of about ten times they played almost every game being a battle. Monster being second followed by Heros at three.

We lost 2x to Top Guns but the games are always competitive.

CT Grizzlies also beat M&D Black in the Indoor National Championships division play and was very good. But to their credit, M&D Black bounced back and took advantage of advancing on a tie-break in a 3-way tie atop their division to go on and win the championship playoff vs. Top Guns.

Didn't M&D Black and Hero's Green play in NGLL this weekend? Who won?

Indoor? Stop

M&D 9-5

The NGLL North clearly the stronger division going 5-2-1 in the crossover games this weekend.

Any surprises in NGLL so far?

Have to wait until Sunday for the M&D, Elite face off.

Both teams are full of talent..
Elite is the hometown team! These girls have been together for a long time. They keep the team true and small and everyone breaks a sweat during games and plays- unlike other teams with bloated rosters (hello money grab), tiers of girls who never get real playing time, and teams with girls who are only on the team because the coaches/clubs are too cowardly to cut them because of their schools or families. This increases team size and ruins cohesive engagement within the squad. Some teams who you pay over $2k to play on, have girls who barely know each other.

Yes this sounds bitter but every year I get these same observations from the new parents on the team. I wish I had something else to tell them, as it’s too late in the season by the time they are talking to me.

Everyone wants to play on the winning team so M&D are very strong for that reason.
If you want to dominate in lacrosse you must be able to score points regardless of what everyone says about it’s all teamwork.

More info on Elite team? True and small? Does that mean few new girls each year and low roster number, how many on the team? Elite does not seem to be excelling at other age groups. Is this year just a one off exception? Best girls did not get poached to Skywalkers etc. like other years? Is the formula small roster size + low turnover scalable? Or is this just an outlier that happened to have really good players join all at once and never leave?

Elite is small and losing players each year. Lost to M&D and MD United big. Well coached but losing players.

M&D will also lose players this year. Lots of dissension with coach J. Peak. He micromanages from sidelines and all he does is run ISO’s. He doesn’t develop his players, have seen many good players slide with him. Wins due to talent + relies on same 4 players or so and doesn’t coach to team. Loses In big games, his coaching weaknesses are very obvious. Just watched it happen to him at NGLL. This year he will likely lose several good players, Robinson is too distracted doesn’t have a good pulse on his teams as long as they are “winning.” Watch the trend start to happen.

Look at MD United and Skywalkers this summer - they have much stronger and smarter coaching and are developing their teams and players more broadly.

What's that? The mighty mouthy M&D fell at their own declared National Champion tournament? Monsters owned them. Was not even as close as the final score. I guess little Suzy can't actually, just go to goal, all the time. NY will own the US Nationals and the National (Maryland) Championship. Just finishing what TG can't. What is with the constant screaming from the M&D coach? LOL. Enjoy your day. I know we will (or did).

Seriously . M&D is annoying but is there really a reason for this much vitriol?? Calling a winning coach mighty mouth is immature. Wow just Wow.

I have never posted to this forum because it is parents acting like fools. Once again, I read this forum and come across this. I am glad you take joy in 13/14 year old girls lax and a team losing. The Monster / M&D game was a good game, and congrats to Monster for winning the game. The girls (not you) deserved to win. They played hard.

Each team has a parent like you and I suppose you are that parent for Monster. Parents like you are what drives kids out of the sport. Trying to relive your days through your kid. No need to take your jock-strap and throw it on the table to compare sizes. You are a complete joke.

As you state in your post, “The mighty mouthy M&D fell at their own declared National Championship" tournament, is a silly comment. The girls play for M&D, yes, Robinson owns the league, but why would you bash the girls for playing on a team? No girls from M&D proclaimed they were the champions, nor did coaches or parents. The girls lace up their cleats and play each game. There is a winner and a lost. Again, you're a joke.

Congratulations to the 2023 Monster for making the championship game. And congratulations to the 2023 CT Grizzlies for winning the National Championship. See how that works...no need to denigrate 13/14 year old kids. Congratulations to both teams.

WIN WITH GRACE, LOSE WITH DIGNITY

A "winning coach" was not called mighty mouth. M&D is mouthy. You should understand what you read before you get protective. But there was a lot of screaming at players.

Congrats to the CT Grizzlies who showed that Indoor can translate to outdoor as well (I am sure that may be surprising to some message board parents!), as they rolled to the NGLL national title this weekend. The hints were there for teams back in January for those that know lacrosse...

But does he win lots of T-shirts? Sounds like a Coach trying to build a legacy and not trying to build his players. Have seen that several times before and with my oldest. And this is a 23 team? Those girls are not even in HS yet. You should seek shelter elsewhere.

You are talking about a coach who has won 4 NGLL championships and has made it to almost every championship game in every tournament his team has participated in(this is fact). M&D parents are hard on their coaches. If he wasn’t developing them, those parents would be moving on. He left one club, and families from that club, not even in the same grad year, followed him to his new club. He turned around an M&D team that was imploding at the time. None of the players left, he helped them find their niche, now that team is shining, and you ignorantly call him out publicly because he lost a game.