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That is not a good sign for Ambush. Express North lost to Express B this Fall.

It was a close game, and Ambush was missing several players in that scrimmage. Fall ball isn't an indicator of much.

Express b lost to the greyhounds that same day so express A kids were not playing that day. When Ambush beat teams last fall who were missing players that did not matter. I guess it matters now since Ambush may have been missing players getting beat by a team that should never beat them.

Express north has two teams (AA and B) look at their site. Ambush played their AA and both teams look good. Close game but edge out at the end because attack could not score. If the missing players were there, it would have been a lopsided score. You would only know that if you are on the team. Ambush is a very good team this year. Will be nice to c tougher competition.

It's fall ball and one team was missing some top players, but your assumption is that the opponent wasn't?? Maybe the opposing team was missing more key players than the other. How do you know??!

2021 LI/NY Teams

9d1 Blaze
Igloo "BlackIce"
Legacy "Grey Hounds"
Express
Icon
Igloo "Avalanche"
9d1 "B"
Outlaws "Black"
Outlaws"Gold"
Bluefish

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Bluefish

Here are a few problems with your list - the Long Island Outlaws have three teams now in 2021. The LI Outlaws Select are now their top team- gold is second and black is third pal. Unfortunately - it makes this list an utter waste of time and potentially will make you dumber by reading it. Adding bluefish on this list also makes it impossible to understand the jade here.

To be completely frank- 2021 appears to have 5 teams a cut above the rest and 1 team a cut above those. 90+1 blaze proved too much for all teams in fall ball. Proven by all tourneys played.
Igloo black ice held off LI outlaws Select 5-2 and beat Express Channy 2X by 1 goal when they played at Blatant. They also crushed legacy grey hounds (as did most teams this fall) . Express beat LI outlaws Select and crushed the legacy Grey hounds. LI outlaws Select (they have a different uniform it appears) crushed legacy grey hounds 9-2. Outlaws Select best a number of good teams outside NY already like Looney's - and if you look at that initial post that even started the attempt at a NY list of 10 teams - it's about who could match up against the top MD area teams.
Icon hasn't played yet. LI empire has a decent top team but won't compete in top tier levels unless they have to. So let's see this spring. That's about it.
Those are the top LI teams for now. And we really only see 6 of them.

Everyone else goes to B. In 2021- Igloo Avalanche , 90+1 B and LI outlaws GOLD (the new middle team), the top true blue team, legacy B etc

YOU MUST HAVE JUST SMOKED AN EARLY MORNING FUNNY CIGARETTE ---- TILL THEY BEAT BLACK ICE BLAZE IS #2 ----when was the last time Blaze beat Black Ice ----you are right it is a new year and they have some CRUSH kids its all good till they beat Black Ice they are #2

How about best teams in the country?

I am not associated with either team but must agree with this post. Blaze has never beat Igloo, Period. You cannot claim you are better if you lost every head to head match up. And yes, with the added players, some older, Blaze is not even a 2021 team anymore. So, Blaze 2021 has never and will never have beaten Igloo as a true 2021 team, regardless of what the future brings.

Igloo BI
Blaze
Mad Dog West
Carolina Cannons
Express
Eclipse
Crabs
Green Turtle
TX mustangs
Mesa
Rising Sons
Maryland RR
Icon
West Coast Starz
Prime Time
Annapolis Hawks
Greyhounds
Edge(CA)

You can shuffle them how you want but Till they get beat Black Ice gets TOP Spot

Igloo BI
Blaze
Mad Dog West
Carolina Cannons
Express
Eclipse
Crabs
Green Turtle
TX mustangs
Mesa
Rising Sons
Maryland RR
Icon
West Coast Starz
Prime Time
Annapolis Hawks
Greyhounds
Edge(CA)

You can shuffle them how you want but Till they get beat Black Ice gets TOP Spot

Rising Sons 2021 last year in July looked like a HS varsity-aged team based upon size, beard growth, etc - seemed like they were multi-year holdbacks across the board for their starters, at least!

Blaze brought 4 Crush kids to the WSYL qualifiers and lost to Igloo by 7. At LaxFest Blaze lost by more to Igloo.

Rising Sons 2021 last year in July looked like a HS varsity-aged team based upon size, beard growth, etc - seemed like they were multi-year holdbacks across the board for their starters, at least!

By mid July Igloo was not the best team. At NXT Mesa beat Igloo by 4 and one hour later Blaze beat Mesa by 11. True Igloo was the best up to the World Series and would have won it had it been a pure 2021 event but they are fading fast. Since Mid July to now Blaze has been the best. Igloo has not played Blaze since before mid July. Blaze has now been together with the new players for more time and are peaking at the right time. Both sides have good arguments claiming to be the best. They need to play against each other more than once a year to draw any conclusions on who is better based only on head to head especially when they have not played each other since before mid July. If they play five times this year Blaze would win at least three of them.

True but lost to the Outlaws and Looney's but did tie Black Ice.

Did igloo get worse over the summer. Or maybe the kids didn't give a [lacrosse] about some tournaments after playing on National TV in an NFL stadium.

Go with it if it makes you feel better.

Btw doesn't really matter any more. What matters is how good your kid is.

Did igloo get worse over the summer. Or maybe the kids didn't give a [lacrosse] about some tournaments after playing on National TV in an NFL stadium.

Go with it if it makes you feel better.

Btw doesn't really matter any more. What matters is how good your kid is.

Very hard to rate 1 thru whatever. My opinion Igloo is he top team until someone beats them more than once. 91 I understand with the few kids who reclassified and were on 2020 the past few years I'm sure is stronger but they must play Igloo a fews times. Eclipse typically beats Express, Crabs typically beats both of them, Icon typically beats Crabs and has beaten and lost to Eclipse and Express beat Icon last year. All those games are typically close games so all good top teams. Mad Dog I have not followed given their location but based on scores they also are top. Mesa and Rising Sons don't know who plays for who anymore but I know Rising Sons tied Igloo in the fall, lost to Icon in the spring and Mesa beat Icon in OT by 1 last spring. So overall I would go with Igloo/91 then bunch up about 6-7 teams. Hope they all play good games and as Bill Teirney said at the Elite showcase he can not remember one score of one youth game he has gone to in the last 5 years.

Does anyone have their son play club lacrosse because their son likes the game and likes to compete? I find it comical that most posts end up talking about recruiting. Wake up a majority of our sons are not playing big time D1 lacrosse. Express, 91, Igloo, Icon, Outlaws, True Blue etc. That is 100 boys right there plus at least the first three programs have a second team. Yes the top few players on each team will play D1. The top teams will probably have several more who play D1. The rest are dreaming. Except in rare cases the scholarship money is not that significant. Teach your kid how to love the game and enjoy the highest level of competition. The rest will work itself out.

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!

Primetime hands down best 2021 program in the East....picked up a bunch of studs you all will see next summer!