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Sounds so simple! Why doesn't every coach take your advice!? Because you obviously live in a bubble. It's not so simple ding dong.

Capital in VA limits teams to 19 or 20 and still, some of the top VA kids still haul all the way to Baltimore to play on larger Skywalkers and M&D teams. Been doing it for years and haven't changed the landscape. Top dogs are going to get their minutes and exposure regardless of how many kids are on the team.

Very very few VA girls playing Baltimore. They pull here & there from a lot of places, including throughout MD, but VA isn't one of them. Majority (8-9 out of 10) of Baltimore clubs are from Baltimore

Live in a bubble, really first off the college kid coaching does not determine the size of the roster the owners of the club do. Any owner is in this club game to make money if you have not realized that you are living in fanasty land. Another fact not every kid is going to get recruited. So cut your roster to 20 players and put one good team on the field and three watered down teams so the owners maximize profit and make everyone happy because their child is not quite good enough to be on the top team. Make two strong teams and develop the reputation of the club. Do you really think recruiters are looking at a third team of 2016s?Unless you play for TG or YJ or against them no recruiter is looking at Team 3. SORRY.

You think the 2018 TG Black team will change significantly?

That team already had a near 100% turnover. One or two original kids left. Never heard of any team with such a drastic change of roster. Many were pushed off, many walked away. Seems like TG was trying to bring in a group that were highly developed when they were younger. That's great for an instant improvement, but those players are already near the ceiling, instead of developing players. The biggest difference between TG and YJ is YJ is all about player development, TG is looking to swap kids out with players developed elsewhere. Anyway back to the original question, would you expect a significant roster change this year? History says yes, but the one town source must be close to being tapped out.

Of course they are in it to make money and more power to them. Not all coaches are college kids (actually most of the good ones are not). Is recruiting the only reason you allow your kid to play anymore? If there are enough kids to field a 5th or even a 10th team, let them play. If the parents are half as smart as you they won't have preconceived notions that their kid will be getting a scholarship. 24 kids on a team? That's crazy! Let's for argument sake say 2 goalies, 6 attackers, 6 defenders. That leaves TEN midfielders!! The games are only 45 minutes of running time. Good luck making everyone happy. Good luck with that. All the more reason for people on this board to complain.

They recruit players not teams . If a player makes contact they will watch them play. Lots of college rosters filled with 2nd and 3rd team players.

According to most everyone on these threads only top team players from top clubs get commitments. Lets see how that math works out... Again the sentiment on these threads is there are about 6 or 8 clubs top teams who would possibly contend for u15. Lets go high call it 8, now times by 25 kids/ team you have 200 kids we all can agree would attract college coach attention. You have 200plus D1& D2 programs accepting 10 incoming freshmen. That's 2000 kids. Turntheys out these college coaches must have to hold their noses as the pick the other 1800 kids per year off the trash teams.

Just because you contact a college it does not guarantee that they will come to watch you play & watch how many recruiters come to watch the top teams play. You will be surprised. Your best bet is too be a TG or YJ. Sorry everyone else. Not all 200 DI & DII offer scholarships and most are not fully funded. So six scholarships for four years doesn't leave too much money for your 10 incoming freshman. Fully funded schools have 12 scholarships for 4 years that equates to 3 scholarships per incoming class so you split 3 into 6 half scholarships that leaves 4 of your incoming freshman with Zero money. So believe it or not there is not enough scholarship money for your 2000 kids playing. The big time players earn full scholarships and that makes 12 into 11 scholarships two big time players makes it 10. So that doesn't leave a lot of money for the 1800 kids that play for the trash teams. So play for a top team if you interested in earning some money for school or play on a trash team for the fun of the game.

Everyone out there be careful, this is what drinking koolaid for too many years can do to your head.

My Daughter plays TG and is being recruited by around a dozen schools from all 3 divisions. of the 12 she contacted 10 herself prior. Unless your child is an absolute standout you need to make the initial contact. Coaches are at games to watch players not teams. They want players who want them not just the high elite player who only wants to play at the top ten schools. As an individual is not about how many coaches are at your daughters game it's who is at her games that matters. If you contact they will come.

I find it funny that TG people have anointed themselves at the top. You won one U15 tournament. What else have you won? YJ 17's beat your 17's 16-0 in MD. Why are you at the top - what have you accomplished?

we've been over this. TG strong but not elite

Your are correct TG is a strong club not elite. But, how many years have they been around about 5. It takes time to build a program especially today with the abundance of Club Teams. Years ago you maybe only handful to choose from. In time they can be come Elite. A TG Parent

IT depends how you define elite. some of their age groups are top 5. example 2016 black 1-0 yj blue, 1-1 hero's,2-1 skywalkers blue, 0-1 M&D black, this past summer.

This HAS TO BE a YJ parent trying to poke the fire. LOL!!

Lets do the math on this...
TG collected their eligible 2016, best 2017s,and best 2018 girls and put 1 team into the U15 National in CO.... In their mind, the "best" opportunity to win the U15 Nationals.

SO are you suggesting THAT TG U15 Team would lose to their own TG 2018 Black Team if they were able to play each other? ... because the team they sent to U15 got smoked by YJ17 Gold(2nd) Team and the Yellow Jacket 2018 Rose Team.

In your opinion TG should have sent the TG 2018 Black Team instead? Then why didn't they?

What makes you think a pure TG 2018 Black would even have a shot at the YJ 2018 Blue (Rose) Team. I'd spot you 10 goals.

Once again this post had to be started by a YJ parent because no TG parent would open the door to a reality check. Sorry I bit on the bait.

Explain the koolaid comment and continue to play for Elevate ,91, The Wave and see how it works out for you. I know how it worked out for me and my kid was no superstar & it worked out much better than I can ever imagine. Its all in the eye of the beholder. Good luck.

You forgot bench bums.

Nobody said lots of VA kids do, just that smaller teams won't magically initiate some tectonic shift in girls club lacrosse. Fact is, probably any of those VA kids that play on M&D or Skywalkers top teams could play on Capitals top team which is smaller, closer to home and competitive. For whatever reason, they don't want to.

And you think a recruiter is looking at a tg third team like white? Or even purple? Lol. You're silly

Your a joke. Really 10 goals. How muck you got tough guy.

TG 15 Purple roster has only two girls that are not yet committed .

Purple definitely. White no.

The issue with purple and black is there are a good 6 or 7 girls who are on the wrong teams- this according to the coaches. I have NO horse in this race before the nasty comments start! My daughter is no longer on TG, she decided to play softball, but niece still plays on 17 team. I agree with a previous poster- there is a big opportunity to create 2 strong teams of 20. Put aside the almighty income generated and focus on the girls who are strong defenders, and offenders who can set up plays. Anyone can "go to the goal" as a black dad constantly screams, but a unified balanced team of 20 will crush any opponent. At the very least there should be goalie changes.

The teams are coached for middies to "go to the goal" and attack is told to get out of the way

The funny thing is you dont even comment and say you can win... you just think the 10 goals are too much. To your point and I agree... YJ 2018 Blue beats TG 2018 Black outright every time ..no matter how many times they play.
By 10 or By 1 the record book would look the same.

Really? Last and only time they played it was a storm shortened 2-2 tie ...

Sadly that was a few years ago. How many girls on the current teams even played in that game? for TGs maybe two. All you can go by is recent tournament success, the yj team shows strong, TG team going the other way.

TG is a family organization? Seriously? You dont see anyone hanging out at tournaments, parents talk about each other to no end and so do the kids. The only thing family about it is that all the money you give them goes to ONE family.

The parents are mean, the kids are what the parents make them and the people running it only care about $$$$ and certain kids. The 2nd teams are not very good and the third teams are plain awful. It was a horrible bonding experience for my kid. Not an environment I would ever want to expose my next child to when she is ready. I would do YJ or Elevate before I would take them to TG especially if they could not make the first team. But trust me, you will not like the environment that the first team brings - been there.

Not a TG parent but I have heard much of that and have witnessed it at tournaments. I approached a TG parent and asked them what the TG culture was like (2018 Purple Parent) and they seemed to say much of the same. Very cutthroat, but you and your child may be looking for that.

Left and went to fl$. Skills are not great but the people are civil.

I have daughters at 2 age groups and it is the right fit for us. Yes, there are bumps in the road and some parents who are just downright crazy, but you get that in any organization. It is more about what you and your daughter are looking to get out of it. Both mine play on black. We have formed great relationships with some families and have avoided others. It is the nature of the beast. It is not 24/7 in your face lacrosse which allows my daughters to play other sports also at the travel level. There will always be that bitter player or parent who felt their daughter should be getting more PT or more attention no matter where you go. No complaints on our end and we will be staying for the 4th year. BTW my daughters are not the "go to" girls in tough games and we/they are fine with that. They still get plenty of playing time and they understand the meaning of working hard to get to that spot. Good luck with your decision, but it is best if you see for yourself and not base decisions on responses from this board

Daughter plays on an older purple team parent get along great. Daughter has great experience plenty of fun, good competition and great recruiting opportunities . That's all I could ask for

"The parents are mean"? What an ignorant overgeneralization! We switched to TG two summers ago, and we love it! Our daughter was welcomed from day one, by her teammates and the Smiths, and it's a great fit for our family. It all depends on what you're looking for, and which team you're on.

YJ and TG people are cut from the same cloth. If you don't get caught up in the nonsense and aren't concerned about all the politics you'll be fine. Competition brings out the best and worst in people.

That's just shows you are not elite, your 2016 has never won a competitive tournament , you beat a combined YJ team at a showcase tournament when high school teams were still in playoffs . Your record against YJ blue at 2016 ion championship format is 0- however many times you have played. This is an MD parent and your teams are not cannot be compared. I still believe we are better than YH 2016 but will say the teams are very very close, you are not.

Hey Larry Miller, there are many posts here on the main forum from people claiming to be MD parents. Can you get a thread going for M&D, Skywalkers etc on this thread? I know you have a MD lax section thread but all the talk and action is on the botc main forum.

The problem is if they post within this thread my two options are to leave it or delete it. I wish I had the option to move an individual post from inside the main thread but I don't.

M&D have a main message board.....