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Somebody actually scoured rosters of lacrosse teams and found one kid at Syracuse who is large in stature and played other sports at a high level. M'kay. I did look at Duke, UVA and UNC rosters for multi sport wonders and saw a few kids who were recruited athletes in other sports (Fersen and French at UVA are the two at UVA). The rest looked like as predicted. Lots of kids who had some varsity letters in some things but were mostly just lacrosse players, who also happen to be nearly all white from prep schools. The bar isn't very high to light it up as a football player at Potomac School bud.

I see what you did to also scour for one college football player who is a down lineman. Stay on the grid here. Name one UMD or UVA or UNC football linebacker, defensive back, or offensive skill player or end who doesn't run like a deer and isn't the one who has those gifts that one Syracuse lacrosse player and perhaps 2-3 total UVA ones do.

BTW, yes, catching and throwing a ball into a crosse is easier than hitting a 95 mph fastball or a 75 mph curveball, it is easier than swimming underwater for 15 meters, it is easier than controlling a hockey puck at high speeds while skating 25mph, and it is a lot easier than catching a football over the middle with 250 pound guys who can run a 4.4 three steps away from driving you into next week. Catching and throwing a lacrosse ball is easier than all of those things, and hitting basically does not exist in lacrosse today. In terms of skill, lacrosse is closest to tennis or squash given the size of the instrument used to control play versus the size of the ball. And something tells me you don't think Serena Williams is a better athlete than some D1 lacrosse player or Paul Rabil even, which is also stupid. Serena Williams is one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in any sport as well.

I get it you think Michael Phelps isn't one of the 20 greatest athletes of all time in all sports. That pretty much speaks to how little you get out of the lacrosse globe to see what else there is. You make is sound like some schmoe from Bullis or PVI who is a Ty Xanders ranked recruit is a real deal athlete, and frankly that is a joke in of itself.

No one scoured anything to find a down lineman - the PP had said that you can take the 125th player of a D1 football team and put him against a 2nd line D1 lacrosse player, the football player would put the lacrosse player to shame. That's what we did, using one of the best lacrosse and football teams in the nation, and clearly the PP was wrong. Simple facts.

I think the way to think about this is that the lacrosse and football teams at Ivy League schools are roughly equal in athleticism. Ivy League schools can compete with Ohio state and Notre Dame in lacrosse. They can't compete with Notre Dame or Ohio state in football.

Good point - I don't think that Ivy Leagues want to "water down" their student intellect base like many of the very good football program schools do, there it's about education first and sports after. The first poster has no clue though - clearly he has never played lacrosse at a competitive level, or likely any of the other sports he mentioned either. Too many armchair quarterbacks on this lacrosse forum.

Football is not the sole determinant of athletic ability. The kids that I see who are great lacrosse players would be good at any sport they played an many are good at multiple sports. I would not imagine a linebacker being good at basketball or soccer.

One interesting fact is that there were players that showed up on multiple rosters with different placements - Madlax, VLC and Crabs. I think people took placements in order Crabs, VLC and Madlax. It will be interesting to see how the Madlax restructure develops.

I noticed that the Capital tournaments are not published as the Orange tournaments were in the past. I guess he has to evaluate what the level of talent is.

I noticed that too. They have very good 2018 and 2019 teams, but the 2020 and 2021 teams have taken a step backwards. Other clubs have gotten stronger and now Blackwolf is in this market.

Their MD and VA teams look very weak. In the past, half of each roster would be cut and they would have one Blue team. Now they are not making those cuts and are putting two weaker Blue teams on the field. We'll see what the kids on those teams think about the new structure.

VLC was able to pull big numbers for a few reasons:

* Freedom folded. Although I don't know who on the VLC 2020 roster actually played previously for Freedom last season.
* Pockets of very good talent continues to grow further West (e.g. Loudoun Co and beyond).
* Coach Buller and Langley have a great reputation, and an excellent track record.
* Reputation and Madlax history. Yes, referring to the infamous email fiasco that will right or wrong forever paint a picture about the owner of Madlax and the organization. Some parents obviously put off with those antics; Cabell could be a completely different coach now but outsiders looking in don't know the guy personally.

Is Langley still a PVI coach? He was criticized for that a few years ago when Loudon Co parents made an issue of him being biased to advocate the PVI kids ahead of the others. Not sure if that was the case, but it did lead to some rumbling. If VLC and Langley are less attached to the PVI program it would be a good thing.

I haven't heard that story. His reputation is pretty high. I have heard that there is a PVI coach who runs 3d and there is pressure at PVI to play for 3d. That might not be true, though, since it doesn't seem that many PVI kids are playing for 3d.